Shisslers "Pa's best deer management in nation" revisited
#41
No stones cast at anyone. It was merely a statement that many successul hunters dont feel any need to be on this forum. Draw whatever conclusion you wish from my personal presence. Your opinion of me or any any particular member here is of no matter to me. A simple look back at your posts over the last months pretty well proves you produce very little original thought and without your cheap shots at myself and a few others, you'd have virtually nothing to post about.
#42
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
I can't figure this guy out, Cornellius. It's like everybody else says its raining and Doug will say, "No it's not. The sun is shining." With his super hunting abilities, I swear he must be wearing a red cape and mask behind his keyboard. If he is telling the truth, then I would guess that he is not telling the whole truth. I don't believe all things are equal. There is also the possibility that he isn't telling the truth at all but only Doug would know that.
I don't claim to be a super hunter either.I'm an average person with less time than most to hunt and scout.So far this rifle season,I've only hunted the first day and the first saturday.I actually planned on hunting this afternoon but it would most likely be a waste of time with the snow crusted over and the high winds.
#43
Whattya think Sproul, Germain, Many Spurs, DougE? Is hunting 2G like a fenced shooting preserve these days as Bluebird claims?
The PGC has absolutely no control on herd numbers any longer whether they wish to lower the herd, stabilize the herd, or allow the herd to increase. Predators now hold the cards and until predator numbers(particularly bears) are brought down, the PGC, so far as deer management in 2G is concerned, is a useless entity that is no longer needed.
A high fence operation is managed. 2G is not.
#44
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
I don't know why less pressure would equate to more successful hunting.The deer simply lay down in the thick cover and don't move unless they have to.There's acorns everywhere this year and the deer don't even have to get up and feed.More pressure would keep the deer moving and increase my sightings.I'd love to see a few more guys in the woods.The days of watching an open hillside where you can see more hundreds of yards and expecting deer movement are long gone.The guys that go about that approach are the ones complaining about no deer.
#45
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Carbon County Pa.
Posts: 601
I don't know why less pressure would equate to more successful hunting.The deer simply lay down in the thick cover and don't move unless they have to.There's acorns everywhere this year and the deer don't even have to get up and feed.More pressure would keep the deer moving and increase my sightings.I'd love to see a few more guys in the woods.The days of watching an open hillside where you can see more hundreds of yards and expecting deer movement are long gone.The guys that go about that approach are the ones complaining about no deer.
#46
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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I have no problem believing dougs success stories. I simply think they have nothing to do with debate in regards to other hunters satisfaction. Dougs successful, Im successful , some others are as well...But for each of us that are, there are a helluva lot who arent. Not to mention how satisfaction, for me anyway isnt solely measured on a filled tag . Less buck sited during a season is not a better season. More deerless sighting days are not better season. Seeing fewer good buck is not a better season. Hearing all the complaints from others is not a better season. And I could go on and on...
Also, Ive seen the comments about guys not being able to kill deer from their computer, other times its said they should hunt harder, go in deeper, etc. etc. etc.
Fact is, when speaking of our ranks overall, its a good thing that with our current herd size that there ARE so many who dont kill deer, no matter the reason. Cant kill more deer than we already are from current herd size without further reducing it. The harvest wouldnt be sustainable and would drop each year the herd declined further...Which is already happening as a trend with an ever shrinking herd in many areas and no reasonable allocation reductions in sight.
As for an even smaller herd, I dont think thats what most hunters are hoping to have happen, and certainly not in the best interest of our sport.
So love it or hate it, the general harvest level basically is what it is. Without herd increase, there is no room for added harvest on a sustainable basis. Physically and numerically impossible.
Also worth mentioning that some of us who are consistently successful still dont buy what pgc is selling. Most hunters I know who are successful or not around here aint buyin' it.
Also, Ive seen the comments about guys not being able to kill deer from their computer, other times its said they should hunt harder, go in deeper, etc. etc. etc.
Fact is, when speaking of our ranks overall, its a good thing that with our current herd size that there ARE so many who dont kill deer, no matter the reason. Cant kill more deer than we already are from current herd size without further reducing it. The harvest wouldnt be sustainable and would drop each year the herd declined further...Which is already happening as a trend with an ever shrinking herd in many areas and no reasonable allocation reductions in sight.
As for an even smaller herd, I dont think thats what most hunters are hoping to have happen, and certainly not in the best interest of our sport.
So love it or hate it, the general harvest level basically is what it is. Without herd increase, there is no room for added harvest on a sustainable basis. Physically and numerically impossible.
Also worth mentioning that some of us who are consistently successful still dont buy what pgc is selling. Most hunters I know who are successful or not around here aint buyin' it.
Last edited by Cornelius08; 12-10-2009 at 07:57 AM.
#48
I do have a high post count. But then, I'm not complaining about the quality of PA hunting.
Of course, like a few others here, your point leaves out some very relevant information and makes your statement incomplete and misleading. I've been a member here since 1998. My join date shows as Feb 2003 which happens to be the earliest join date you'll see for any member since it coincides with the last big server crash that zeroed everyones post count out and I've always used this username. Based on that, I post an average of about 82 posts per month.
Two of our biggest complainers here average 163 and 168 posts per month. One of them also has 5 documented user names since the crash date of Feb 2003.
Funny how the real facts can change the story eh?
#49
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" I post an average of about 82 posts per month."
Averages come in handy dont they? Especially when they can be used to decieve and not show the true facts of the matter. In some of the childish namecalling sessions youve initiated youve made that many in a week. You post far more now than you did back "then", so as usual your words hold zero water. Figured it wouldnt be long before it would no longer be "civil". Funny how it gets that way when you arent in Illinois. Guess stayin' out there for half the huntin' season might make some difference to your post count as well?
Funny how we are called complainers, yet you say you havent even "gotten into" Pa hunting deer yet this season,(and most others recent years from what youve said) because you prefer to hunt Illinois most of the season...Then dont hunt here anyttime the weather is less than perfect. Real avid Pa hunter to scold everyone else! Also real funny to accuse bb of other aliases when you have used other aliases to vote with to skew polls and been busted.
Averages come in handy dont they? Especially when they can be used to decieve and not show the true facts of the matter. In some of the childish namecalling sessions youve initiated youve made that many in a week. You post far more now than you did back "then", so as usual your words hold zero water. Figured it wouldnt be long before it would no longer be "civil". Funny how it gets that way when you arent in Illinois. Guess stayin' out there for half the huntin' season might make some difference to your post count as well?
Funny how we are called complainers, yet you say you havent even "gotten into" Pa hunting deer yet this season,(and most others recent years from what youve said) because you prefer to hunt Illinois most of the season...Then dont hunt here anyttime the weather is less than perfect. Real avid Pa hunter to scold everyone else! Also real funny to accuse bb of other aliases when you have used other aliases to vote with to skew polls and been busted.
Last edited by Cornelius08; 12-10-2009 at 01:09 PM.
#50
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
I don't know why less pressure would equate to more successful hunting.The deer simply lay down in the thick cover and don't move unless they have to.
The guys that go about that approach are the ones complaining about no deer.