PA's success story
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: 3c pa
Posts: 1,212
RE: PA's success story
4evrhtn
I have got my bear tag the last couple years. When they started letting us hunt them in the first leg of deer season. Only have seen one little cub while hunting the last few.when i can kill them . But i didnt he was just a little fella probably only weighed 50 60 pounds. I dont go out for just bear very often. there meat just isnt my cup of tea.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste. And the wife doesnt think i need more taxidermy in the house. I beg to differ
I have got my bear tag the last couple years. When they started letting us hunt them in the first leg of deer season. Only have seen one little cub while hunting the last few.when i can kill them . But i didnt he was just a little fella probably only weighed 50 60 pounds. I dont go out for just bear very often. there meat just isnt my cup of tea.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste. And the wife doesnt think i need more taxidermy in the house. I beg to differ
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 584
RE: PA's success story
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Fawn survival rates have nothing to do with the ability of the habitat to support more deer. In every WMU ,the harvest by hunters determines how many deer survive to the following year and that in turn determines how many fawns are recruited into next years herd.
So, fawn survival rates are pretty much a matter of the habitat being able to support more deer or not. If the habitat can’t support more deer it is a blessing for the future of the species if a higher percentage of the fawns fall victim to predation.
Your lack of knowledge concerning the realities of nature is showing once again.
Hunters simply can’t ever harvest fawns that die within days of being born. Some studies have shown that fawn mortality in poor habitat can be as high as 92.9% from just nutritional factors and before predation even gets to play into reducing the number of fawns even more.
Hunters will not only not harvest those dead fawns in their first year of life but never in their second, third or later years either.
You simply have no idea what you are talking about when you make such ridiculous comments.
R.S. Bodenhorn
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 584
RE: PA's success story
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
Thanks for the info! As far as the habit on the land in the pic.... I have 2 1/2 acres of Timothy Hay/Weed mix(from horse manure being spread)that is 4 to 5foot high. I will be leaving it stand until the end of this month reason being I have seen doe lead their young into this thick stuff and until the little onescan travel and keep up with mom I want to reduce the chances of them being preyed upon.
Also, another question.. Last year the majority of the bears had been denning up before the bear season started due to lack of food. Why doesn't the PAGC hold out on deciding season dates for bear based off variables such as predicted accessibility to food- acorn harvest. It seems everything is in place as it is to ensure the bear population continues to grow to levels that aren't ideal for all game species including bears themselves.Or is it the goal to have our bear population grow even larger?It's hard to reduce their numbers in an effective way when most of them are denning up and not moving to save calories rather than expend more calories searching for food than they will replace prior to us hunters having the ability to hunt them.
ORIGINAL: R.S.B.
There is no question that bears, coyote, bobcat, fox and even raccoon will kill new born fawns when they stumble onto them or otherwise find one they can catch pretty easily. It is also a fact that where fawns have suitable habitat predation is not a significant factor in limiting deer populations. Fawn predation can be significant where deer don’t have suitable ground cover or under story though. So, fawn survival rates are pretty much a matter of the habitat being able to support more deer or not. If the habitat can’t support more deer it is a blessing for the future of the species if a higher percentage of the fawns fall victim to predation.
People also prey on fawns. I know of several fawns that are now dead because people captured them and took them home. In fact, I will be filing charges on one such case next week and have another active investigation of a car load of teenagers catching a fawn, putting it in a car and taking off. I’m still working on that one.
All bears get two tags the first time they are captured. Bears, especially males, tend to fight and rip tags out, so we put one in each ear to make sure it they lose one we still have one to allow us to collect the past capture history. If we catch a bear with a tag missing we replace it with a new tag. I just caught a 250 pound male with one tag missing a couple weeks ago. He left with one old tag and one new tag.
R.S. Bodenhorn
There is no question that bears, coyote, bobcat, fox and even raccoon will kill new born fawns when they stumble onto them or otherwise find one they can catch pretty easily. It is also a fact that where fawns have suitable habitat predation is not a significant factor in limiting deer populations. Fawn predation can be significant where deer don’t have suitable ground cover or under story though. So, fawn survival rates are pretty much a matter of the habitat being able to support more deer or not. If the habitat can’t support more deer it is a blessing for the future of the species if a higher percentage of the fawns fall victim to predation.
People also prey on fawns. I know of several fawns that are now dead because people captured them and took them home. In fact, I will be filing charges on one such case next week and have another active investigation of a car load of teenagers catching a fawn, putting it in a car and taking off. I’m still working on that one.
All bears get two tags the first time they are captured. Bears, especially males, tend to fight and rip tags out, so we put one in each ear to make sure it they lose one we still have one to allow us to collect the past capture history. If we catch a bear with a tag missing we replace it with a new tag. I just caught a 250 pound male with one tag missing a couple weeks ago. He left with one old tag and one new tag.
R.S. Bodenhorn
Also, another question.. Last year the majority of the bears had been denning up before the bear season started due to lack of food. Why doesn't the PAGC hold out on deciding season dates for bear based off variables such as predicted accessibility to food- acorn harvest. It seems everything is in place as it is to ensure the bear population continues to grow to levels that aren't ideal for all game species including bears themselves.Or is it the goal to have our bear population grow even larger?It's hard to reduce their numbers in an effective way when most of them are denning up and not moving to save calories rather than expend more calories searching for food than they will replace prior to us hunters having the ability to hunt them.
Late standing hay fields are great for improving not only fawn recruitment rates but also rabbit and pheasant populations. Thank you for considering the wildlife in your farming practices. I wish more landowners gave wildlife such consideration.
Bear season is structured for a time period that is intended to have most of the bred females in their dens (they are first to den) along with a high percentage of the sows with cubs also being denned. Sows with cubs are the second bears to den though the number of them denned is very dependant on the amount of available food during any given year.
There are always years when we have more bears denned then is desirable to bring the populations down to the desired level. But, there are also years when we have a good mast crop that we might harvest more bears then desired in some areas too. It all kind of equals out in the long term management of the species and bear populations are pretty stable in most of the traditional range.
Bear populations are of course expanding into areas that once didn’t have bears, much as the deer populations have already done. That of course increases the statewide bear harvests while sometimes resulting in lower harvests in some of the old traditional big woods bear areas.
I believe we will probably see some expansion of the areas open to bear harvests during the first week of the concurrent deer seasons. Some hunters fear that will result in over harvest and the detriment of bear populations. I actually think it might have the opposite affect in many areas for the following reasons.
Where we have bear season run concurrent with the deer season fewer hunters take off work to hunt during the traditional three day statewide bear season and of course that lowers the bear harvest during those three days on those areas. That week then means even more of the bred sows and sows with cubs will avoid being harvested and be denned before the deer season occurs. That would then increase the harvest on the older male bears that tend to be out roaming later into the fall. That thus provides more hunting opportunities without adversely affecting the long term bear populations. Of course if there is any indication the longer bear season is adversely affecting an area the season can always be shortened as needed, just as recently occurred in parts of the northeast.
R.S. Bodenhorn
#15
RE: PA's success story
ORIGINAL: bowtruck
4evrhtn
I have got my bear tag the last couple years. When they started letting us hunt them in the first leg of deer season. Only have seen one little cub while hunting the last few.when i can kill them . But i didnt he was just a little fella probably only weighed 50 60 pounds. I dont go out for just bear very often. there meat just isnt my cup of tea.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste. And the wife doesnt think i need more taxidermy in the house. I beg to differ
4evrhtn
I have got my bear tag the last couple years. When they started letting us hunt them in the first leg of deer season. Only have seen one little cub while hunting the last few.when i can kill them . But i didnt he was just a little fella probably only weighed 50 60 pounds. I dont go out for just bear very often. there meat just isnt my cup of tea.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste. And the wife doesnt think i need more taxidermy in the house. I beg to differ
#16
RE: PA's success story
More signs of the PGCs succesful bear management program.
http://www.bradfordpa.info/?p=721
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A bear in the air
(photo by KELLY STEMCOSKY) This bruin headed for high ground, climbing a tree on Main Street, Wellsboro on Monday evening. The animal was subsequently tranquilized, captured and eventually destroyed because of its aggressive tendencies.[/align][/align]
by Kelly Stemcosky
[email protected]
Published: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT[/align]A bear found its way up a tree around 8:30 p.m. Monday night, June 30, in front of Subway on Main Street in Wellsboro.
Crowds of people watched from the sidewalk as the borough police, members of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources and the Game Commission worked to get the bear down safely.
Jacob Brink, 11, and Branden Enck, 10, said they saw the bear near Austin and Purple Streets just minutes before.
“It was walking right down Purple [Street]. It was huge,” said Brink.
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http://www.bradfordpa.info/?p=721
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A call came into the 911 center just before 11:00 P.M. to report a trouble bear.
The first caller, at a residence on Howard Lane, called to report that a bear had just attacked and killed his dog. The bear then left the first caller’s yard and entered a neighbor’s yard.
The second caller happened to be that neighbor, and reported that the bear had entered his yard and was attacking his dog. The caller told the 911 operator that he had a firearm and he was preparing to use it on the bear.
Bradford Township officers and a unit from Bradford City responded.
At 11:02, the first officer on the scene from Bradford Township, called to the second Bradford Township officer, and requested that he go back to the station to grab the shotgun.
The 911 center stated that the Bradford Township Police had cleared from the scene shortly after the incident, but it was unclear as to exactly how they had dealt with it.
A call came into the 911 center just before 11:00 P.M. to report a trouble bear.
The first caller, at a residence on Howard Lane, called to report that a bear had just attacked and killed his dog. The bear then left the first caller’s yard and entered a neighbor’s yard.
The second caller happened to be that neighbor, and reported that the bear had entered his yard and was attacking his dog. The caller told the 911 operator that he had a firearm and he was preparing to use it on the bear.
Bradford Township officers and a unit from Bradford City responded.
At 11:02, the first officer on the scene from Bradford Township, called to the second Bradford Township officer, and requested that he go back to the station to grab the shotgun.
The 911 center stated that the Bradford Township Police had cleared from the scene shortly after the incident, but it was unclear as to exactly how they had dealt with it.
A bear in the air
(photo by KELLY STEMCOSKY) This bruin headed for high ground, climbing a tree on Main Street, Wellsboro on Monday evening. The animal was subsequently tranquilized, captured and eventually destroyed because of its aggressive tendencies.[/align][/align]
by Kelly Stemcosky
[email protected]
Published: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT[/align]A bear found its way up a tree around 8:30 p.m. Monday night, June 30, in front of Subway on Main Street in Wellsboro.
Crowds of people watched from the sidewalk as the borough police, members of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources and the Game Commission worked to get the bear down safely.
Jacob Brink, 11, and Branden Enck, 10, said they saw the bear near Austin and Purple Streets just minutes before.
“It was walking right down Purple [Street]. It was huge,” said Brink.
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#17
RE: PA's success story
there meat just isnt my cup of tea.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste.
Thou it wouldnt go to waste.
You do have totrim outevery last bit of fat and cook it thoroughly but it can be fantastic.
The fat is the enemy. One bite of bear fat and you'll never want another bite[:'(]
#18
RE: PA's success story
Having worked in Taxidermy and skinning so many different animals I would compare bear flesh to that of a ground hog in smell. It's tough for me to get past that after having skinned so many of them. I will take your word on the table fare, don't need to prove you right. I will donate any meat from any bear I shoot to someone who enjoys it.
#19
RE: PA's success story
ORIGINAL: ManySpurs
More signs of the PGCs succesful bear management program.
http://www.bradfordpa.info/?p=721
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A bear in the air
(photo by KELLY STEMCOSKY) This bruin headed for high ground, climbing a tree on Main Street, Wellsboro on Monday evening. The animal was subsequently tranquilized, captured and eventually destroyed because of its aggressive tendencies.
[/align][/align]
by Kelly Stemcosky
[email protected]
Published: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT
[/align]A bear found its way up a tree around 8:30 p.m. Monday night, June 30, in front of Subway on Main Street in Wellsboro.
Crowds of people watched from the sidewalk as the borough police, members of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources and the Game Commission worked to get the bear down safely.
Jacob Brink, 11, and Branden Enck, 10, said they saw the bear near Austin and Purple Streets just minutes before.
“It was walking right down Purple [Street]. It was huge,” said Brink.
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More signs of the PGCs succesful bear management program.
http://www.bradfordpa.info/?p=721
Posted by Tez on July 5, 2009 – 11:08 pm
[/align]Filed under News, Scanner Reports
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A call came into the 911 center just before 11:00 P.M. to report a trouble bear.
The first caller, at a residence on Howard Lane, called to report that a bear had just attacked and killed his dog. The bear then left the first caller’s yard and entered a neighbor’s yard.
The second caller happened to be that neighbor, and reported that the bear had entered his yard and was attacking his dog. The caller told the 911 operator that he had a firearm and he was preparing to use it on the bear.
Bradford Township officers and a unit from Bradford City responded.
At 11:02, the first officer on the scene from Bradford Township, called to the second Bradford Township officer, and requested that he go back to the station to grab the shotgun.
The 911 center stated that the Bradford Township Police had cleared from the scene shortly after the incident, but it was unclear as to exactly how they had dealt with it.
[/align]Filed under News, Scanner Reports
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A call came into the 911 center just before 11:00 P.M. to report a trouble bear.
The first caller, at a residence on Howard Lane, called to report that a bear had just attacked and killed his dog. The bear then left the first caller’s yard and entered a neighbor’s yard.
The second caller happened to be that neighbor, and reported that the bear had entered his yard and was attacking his dog. The caller told the 911 operator that he had a firearm and he was preparing to use it on the bear.
Bradford Township officers and a unit from Bradford City responded.
At 11:02, the first officer on the scene from Bradford Township, called to the second Bradford Township officer, and requested that he go back to the station to grab the shotgun.
The 911 center stated that the Bradford Township Police had cleared from the scene shortly after the incident, but it was unclear as to exactly how they had dealt with it.
[/align]http://www.tiogapublishing.com/articles/2009/07/02/news/doc4a4b98cc06483364431343.txt
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A bear in the air
(photo by KELLY STEMCOSKY) This bruin headed for high ground, climbing a tree on Main Street, Wellsboro on Monday evening. The animal was subsequently tranquilized, captured and eventually destroyed because of its aggressive tendencies.
[/align][/align]
by Kelly Stemcosky
[email protected]
Published: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT
[/align]A bear found its way up a tree around 8:30 p.m. Monday night, June 30, in front of Subway on Main Street in Wellsboro.
Crowds of people watched from the sidewalk as the borough police, members of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources and the Game Commission worked to get the bear down safely.
Jacob Brink, 11, and Branden Enck, 10, said they saw the bear near Austin and Purple Streets just minutes before.
“It was walking right down Purple [Street]. It was huge,” said Brink.
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#20
RE: PA's success story
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
Having worked in Taxidermy and skinning so many different animals I would compare bear flesh to that of a ground hog in smell. It's tough for me to get past that after having skinned so many of them. I will take your word on the table fare, don't need to prove you right. I will donate any meat from any bear I shoot to someone who enjoys it.
Having worked in Taxidermy and skinning so many different animals I would compare bear flesh to that of a ground hog in smell. It's tough for me to get past that after having skinned so many of them. I will take your word on the table fare, don't need to prove you right. I will donate any meat from any bear I shoot to someone who enjoys it.
My first experience with bear meat came several years ago when I shotmy first bear. While watching me skin it when my dad asked me what I was going to do with the meat. Since I've never been much for killing things and wasting them, I told him I was going togive it a good try and if it wasn't any good, I'd at least feed it to my dog. The dog never saw a bite!!!
I'd bet that we didnt get 75 lbs of meat from a 300 pound bear oncewe trimmed out all the fat. It hadseveral inches of fatacross the back and was a nightmare to butcher but the meat was fantastic.
We made sausage by mixing 60/40 bear/pork and did roasts by cooking em very slow on low heat. Never had anyone try it and not aks for some more.