How Is This Possible?
06-08-2009, 05:54 PM
#21
Typical Buck
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RE: How Is This Possible?
ORIGINAL: fellas2
So blkpowder , using your reasoning,then is it not possible for your "good buddy" RSB, to be as totally incompetent and ignorant on the subject as BB ??? Just because he's been a game warden(sorry WCO) for you politically correct generation,for all these years does not necessarily make him an authority on the subject !
So blkpowder , using your reasoning,then is it not possible for your "good buddy" RSB, to be as totally incompetent and ignorant on the subject as BB ??? Just because he's been a game warden(sorry WCO) for you politically correct generation,for all these years does not necessarily make him an authority on the subject !
06-08-2009, 06:29 PM
#22
Typical Buck
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RE: How Is This Possible?
Here are a few links to the history of the northern tier forests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny_National_Forest
http://www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/23488
http://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs_rm/rm_gtr267/rm_gtr267_079_086.pdf
R.S. Bodenhorn
06-09-2009, 04:46 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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RE: How Is This Possible?
Our forests, in most of this state, are more then that 80-100 years old mark.
06-09-2009, 06:07 AM
#26
Nontypical Buck
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RE: How Is This Possible?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Thanks for proving once again that I was right and you had no idea what you were talking about.
Thanks for proving once again that I was right and you had no idea what you were talking about.
06-09-2009, 08:45 AM
#27
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RE: How Is This Possible?
There was no need to twist the data because the data supports my position and refutes RSB's opinion.
That means the majority of the trees in ANF were less than 100 years old,since the older trees are usually the first to be harvested. Furthermore the links RSB provided were limited to the ANF and do not represent the conditions in the rest of the state where the amount of forest land increased after 1928.
In 1993,75
percent of the forest land base on the ANF con-
tained stands between 60 and 110 years of age (U.S.
Department of Agriculture Allegheny National
Forest 1993).
percent of the forest land base on the ANF con-
tained stands between 60 and 110 years of age (U.S.
Department of Agriculture Allegheny National
Forest 1993).
That means the majority of the trees in ANF were less than 100 years old,since the older trees are usually the first to be harvested. Furthermore the links RSB provided were limited to the ANF and do not represent the conditions in the rest of the state where the amount of forest land increased after 1928.
06-09-2009, 09:31 AM
#28
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RE: How Is This Possible?
The fact is the position of Pa in hardwood production is based on the total bf being cut - and not on the health of the forest.
A large enough"unhealthy" forest can yeild enough to be #1.
The only reason you tried to link the two was to rerun the same old tired thread for probably the 50th time.
Steve
A large enough"unhealthy" forest can yeild enough to be #1.
The only reason you tried to link the two was to rerun the same old tired thread for probably the 50th time.
Steve
06-09-2009, 10:25 AM
#29
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RE: How Is This Possible?
According to the PGC , a forests health is based on it's ability to regenerate. Since our forested areas have been increasing since 1928,instead of decreasing, the forest had to be pretty healthy despite the claims by the PGC regarding over browsing.
Furthermore,deer are not the only cause for the lack of regeneration in ANF.
Furthermore,deer are not the only cause for the lack of regeneration in ANF.
Managers are particularly concerned about the
implications of these declines for forest regenera-
tion. In some places, the increased light reaching
the forest floor as a result of the recent defoliations
and crown dieback has resulted in increased
establishment and growth of tree seedlings. Only 8
percent of the stands in the 12,000-acre sample had
adequate tree regeneration, including shade-
tolerant saplings of sufficient health to leave as
part of a new stand. But in many places, the benefi-
ciaries of increased light have been ferns, grasses,
and sedges, and as mortality removes trees that
could provide seed for natural tree regeneration,
the management challenges increase. More than 70
percent of the stands in the 12,000-acre sample had
fern understory stocking in excess of 30 percent,
the level associated with interference with regen-
eration establishment (Marquis and others 1992).
Allegheny National Forest managers commonly
use intensive silvicultural practices-including
herbicides, fencing, aerial fertilization of estab-
lished seedlings, and individual tree seedling
protectors-to overcome the barriers to natural
regeneration. In addition, managers are working
with scientists to identify appropriate management
strategies for declining stands that do not require
regeneration treatments.
species.
implications of these declines for forest regenera-
tion. In some places, the increased light reaching
the forest floor as a result of the recent defoliations
and crown dieback has resulted in increased
establishment and growth of tree seedlings. Only 8
percent of the stands in the 12,000-acre sample had
adequate tree regeneration, including shade-
tolerant saplings of sufficient health to leave as
part of a new stand. But in many places, the benefi-
ciaries of increased light have been ferns, grasses,
and sedges, and as mortality removes trees that
could provide seed for natural tree regeneration,
the management challenges increase. More than 70
percent of the stands in the 12,000-acre sample had
fern understory stocking in excess of 30 percent,
the level associated with interference with regen-
eration establishment (Marquis and others 1992).
Allegheny National Forest managers commonly
use intensive silvicultural practices-including
herbicides, fencing, aerial fertilization of estab-
lished seedlings, and individual tree seedling
protectors-to overcome the barriers to natural
regeneration. In addition, managers are working
with scientists to identify appropriate management
strategies for declining stands that do not require
regeneration treatments.
species.
