Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
02-10-2009, 03:37 PM
#41
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: 3c pa
Posts: 1,212
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
lots of pheasants and grouse around my place there a guy that raises them and has pheasant hunts
come winter you dont see them but in spring when people pay him to release them you see them till winter again
they are dumb thou stand in roads waiting to get run over
come winter you dont see them but in spring when people pay him to release them you see them till winter again
they are dumb thou stand in roads waiting to get run over
02-10-2009, 03:49 PM
#42
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Central PA
Posts: 829
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
R.S.B.,
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
02-10-2009, 06:25 PM
#43
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
R.S.B.,
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
R.S.B.,
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
it was full moon, unreal how bright.
we had deerfeeder accross river,you should of heard the coyotes howling or i call it laughing.
very eery sound
02-10-2009, 06:32 PM
#44
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 584
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
R.S.B.,
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
R.S.B.,
Arethere any efforts being put forth to restore a wild pheasant population in Schuylkill county? If there is, I am willing to offer my time to help by whatever means beneficial to the program.(You can send me a PM and I will give you my contact info.)I want to be objective and see these efforts first hand, more importantly this "promising" result such as in Elk county. I will say I have seen some pheasants (stocked) survive the season but come spring- no trace of a pheasant anywhere.
I agree with Sproul on the predators killing them off, at least in my area. This leads me to the following.
Can you explain to me why I am only allowed to trap coyote with a cable restraint from Jan 1 to Feb 22, yet I can hunt them 365 days a year? Do you feel this will ever be ammended? I understand their fur ismore valuedthis time of year but this season runs exactly during their breeding season when hunting opportunities are the greatest. Then when they are no longer searching to breed and are doing more searching for food I cannot set cable restraintswith food bait at a time whenwe would be most effective at controlling the population by trapping means.
The three areas presently getting wild pheasants from the Midwest are centered around Montour, Somerset and Washington Counties where the pheasants Forever Chapters have had the most success with establishing large tracts of contiguous grasslands habitats capable of supporting pheasants. If you are seriously interested send me a PM and I will get you some contact information for the Montour Chapter.
The results look promising though it is still too early to cal it a success. If wild populations can be established and nature production results in increasing populations those areas might one day provide the opportunity for instate trap and transfer as occurred with turkeys.
I can’t give you an answer to the reason you can’t use cable restraints before January other then the desire to prevent the capture of no target species earlier in the year when hunting dogs are a field. Most years trappers can still affectively use foothold traps up to about January when things start freezing up. The intent of the cable restraint was to provide a tool that trappers could affectively use toward more effectively controlling fox and coyote populations after normal winter freeze up and snow conditions set in.
You might well see the period for cable restraints extended at some point in the future. Bring it before the Trappers Association and the Board of Commissioners to see how they feel about it.
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-10-2009, 07:04 PM
#45
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
i can say, those traps do work.
i got caught in 1 myself, dont laugh.
i fell in snow and was lucky to hold onto my camcorder.
also my dog was in 4 traps this year and only 1 had the owners name on it.
i got caught in 1 myself, dont laugh.
i fell in snow and was lucky to hold onto my camcorder.
also my dog was in 4 traps this year and only 1 had the owners name on it.
02-12-2009, 02:16 PM
#46
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: manassas va USA
Posts: 614
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
I've never understood the argument about baiting ,,,especially in states where the deer need controlled,,,here in Va this year i can kill does until march 28th,,,,(too many deer) but if i put out a bucket of corn to kill em im a criminal,,then on the other hand,,,if i plant an acre of corn etc... on my property,,,,thats ok,,shoot everyone that enters the field,,,,makes no sense what-so-ever and any one that disputes that needs medication!
02-13-2009, 08:18 AM
#47
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 8,167
RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
ORIGINAL: rem700man
I've never understood the argument about baiting ,,,especially in states where the deer need controlled,,,here in Va this year i can kill does until march 28th,,,,(too many deer) but if i put out a bucket of corn to kill em im a criminal,,then on the other hand,,,if i plant an acre of corn etc... on my property,,,,thats ok,,shoot everyone that enters the field,,,,makes no sense what-so-ever and any one that disputes that needs medication!
I've never understood the argument about baiting ,,,especially in states where the deer need controlled,,,here in Va this year i can kill does until march 28th,,,,(too many deer) but if i put out a bucket of corn to kill em im a criminal,,then on the other hand,,,if i plant an acre of corn etc... on my property,,,,thats ok,,shoot everyone that enters the field,,,,makes no sense what-so-ever and any one that disputes that needs medication!
Until last week the snow was overmy knees.
If you have a clue how to hunt deer,you surly don't need bait to be successful.
That one acre of corn will still be there long after your bucket of corn is gone.And will benefit turkeys,squirrels and untold other wildlife.
Bait is what you use when fishing.Unless your a master.
02-13-2009, 09:19 AM
#48
Typical Buck
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RE: Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Just found this on another site
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2009&sessIn d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=261&a mp;pn=0281
Brought to you by the usual suspects....read the last line!
Just found this on another site
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2009&sessIn d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=261&a mp;pn=0281
Brought to you by the usual suspects....read the last line!
Well how about that, could that be pressure from the DCNR????
10. Use of Bait to Entice Deer: This option is currently legal and practiced in many states, and has been suggested numerous times when the discussion of new tools comes up. The Bureau of Forestry, based on the possibility of disease transmission, is not willing to pursue this option at this time.
PRINTER'S NO. 281
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA
HOUSE BILL
No.
261
Session of
2009
INTRODUCED BY HALUSKA, BEYER, CALTAGIRONE, CONKLIN, FLECK,
GODSHALL, HANNA, HARHAI, KORTZ, MAHONEY, READSHAW AND WHITE,
FEBRUARY5,2009
REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 5, 2009
AN ACT
1
Amending Title 34 (Game) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
2
Statutes, further providing for unlawful devices and methods.
3
The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
4
hereby enacts as follows:
5
Section 1. Section 2308(b) of Title 34 of the Pennsylvania
6
Consolidated Statutes is amended to read:
7
§ 2308. Unlawful devices and methods.
8
* * *
9
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not
10
apply to:
11
(1) (i) Any archery sight or firearm's scope which
12
contains and uses any mechanical, photoelectric,
13
ultraviolet or solar-powered device to solely illuminate
14
the sight or crosshairs within the scope.
15
(ii) Except as otherwise provided under subparagraph
16
(iii), no archery sight or firearm's scope shall contain
17
or use any device, no matter how powered, to project or
1
transmit any light beam, infrared beam, ultraviolet light
2
beam, radio beam, thermal beam, ultrasonic beam, particle
3
beam or other beam outside the sight or scope onto the
4
target.
5
(iii) (A) A flashlight or spotlight may be mounted
6
on a firearm to take furbearers if the sole source of
7
power for the flashlight or spotlight is contained
8
within the flashlight or spotlight or on the person.
9
(B) For the purposes of this subparagraph, a
10
flashlight or spotlight mounted on a firearm shall
11
not include a device that projects a beam of laser
12
light to indicate the intended point of impact for
13
one or more projectiles discharged from the firearm.
14
(2) (i) Any political subdivision, its employees or
15
agents, which has a valid deer control permit issued
16
under section 2902(c) (relating to general categories of
17
permits).
18
(ii) Any licensed hunter in cities of the first
19
class, while hunting on private property and using a bow
20
and arrow or crossbow, using bait to attract deer for
21
removal as provided by commission regulations.
22
(iii) Any licensed hunter in special regulation
23
areas, other than counties of the second class, using
24
bait to attract deer for removal as provided by
25
commission regulations.
26
(3) Any artificial or manufactured turkey blind
27
consisting of all manmade materials of sufficient density to
28
block the detection of movement within the blind from an
29
observer located outside of the blind.
30
(4) Any natural or manmade nonliving bait used to
20090HB0261PN0281
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1
attract coyotes for hunting or trapping.
2
(5) Any electronic or mechanical device used to attract
3
coyotes for hunting or trapping.
4
(6) Any decoy used in the trapping or hunting of
5
furbearers.
6
(7) Shelled or eared corn.
7
* * *
8
Section 2. This act shall take effect immediately.
20090HB0261PN0281
3
10. Use of Bait to Entice Deer: This option is currently legal and practiced in many states, and has been suggested numerous times when the discussion of new tools comes up. The Bureau of Forestry, based on the possibility of disease transmission, is not willing to pursue this option at this time.
PRINTER'S NO. 281
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA
HOUSE BILL
No.
261
Session of
2009
INTRODUCED BY HALUSKA, BEYER, CALTAGIRONE, CONKLIN, FLECK,
GODSHALL, HANNA, HARHAI, KORTZ, MAHONEY, READSHAW AND WHITE,
FEBRUARY5,2009
REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 5, 2009
AN ACT
1
Amending Title 34 (Game) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
2
Statutes, further providing for unlawful devices and methods.
3
The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
4
hereby enacts as follows:
5
Section 1. Section 2308(b) of Title 34 of the Pennsylvania
6
Consolidated Statutes is amended to read:
7
§ 2308. Unlawful devices and methods.
8
* * *
9
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not
10
apply to:
11
(1) (i) Any archery sight or firearm's scope which
12
contains and uses any mechanical, photoelectric,
13
ultraviolet or solar-powered device to solely illuminate
14
the sight or crosshairs within the scope.
15
(ii) Except as otherwise provided under subparagraph
16
(iii), no archery sight or firearm's scope shall contain
17
or use any device, no matter how powered, to project or
1
transmit any light beam, infrared beam, ultraviolet light
2
beam, radio beam, thermal beam, ultrasonic beam, particle
3
beam or other beam outside the sight or scope onto the
4
target.
5
(iii) (A) A flashlight or spotlight may be mounted
6
on a firearm to take furbearers if the sole source of
7
power for the flashlight or spotlight is contained
8
within the flashlight or spotlight or on the person.
9
(B) For the purposes of this subparagraph, a
10
flashlight or spotlight mounted on a firearm shall
11
not include a device that projects a beam of laser
12
light to indicate the intended point of impact for
13
one or more projectiles discharged from the firearm.
14
(2) (i) Any political subdivision, its employees or
15
agents, which has a valid deer control permit issued
16
under section 2902(c) (relating to general categories of
17
permits).
18
(ii) Any licensed hunter in cities of the first
19
class, while hunting on private property and using a bow
20
and arrow or crossbow, using bait to attract deer for
21
removal as provided by commission regulations.
22
(iii) Any licensed hunter in special regulation
23
areas, other than counties of the second class, using
24
bait to attract deer for removal as provided by
25
commission regulations.
26
(3) Any artificial or manufactured turkey blind
27
consisting of all manmade materials of sufficient density to
28
block the detection of movement within the blind from an
29
observer located outside of the blind.
30
(4) Any natural or manmade nonliving bait used to
20090HB0261PN0281
- 2 -
1
attract coyotes for hunting or trapping.
2
(5) Any electronic or mechanical device used to attract
3
coyotes for hunting or trapping.
4
(6) Any decoy used in the trapping or hunting of
5
furbearers.
6
(7) Shelled or eared corn.
7
* * *
8
Section 2. This act shall take effect immediately.
20090HB0261PN0281
3
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