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    HOW DID THE PGC COMMISSIOINERS GET APPOINTED?

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    Old 01-30-2009, 08:13 AM
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    Default RE: HOW DID THE PGC COMMISSIOINERS GET APPOINTED?
    ORIGINAL: DougE

    Jim,deer should have to depend on a mast crop.Mast crops are not dependable and they're a food source that's only available for a limited amount oftime in the fall.Deer need browse and that browse is severly lacking from decades of overbrowsing.

    Losthorn,we have less deer in the northcentral part of the state because the habitat is so poor.That's a fact.
    It's also a fact that counies such as potter and Tioga still had increasing herds up until about 2001.
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    Old 01-30-2009, 08:15 AM
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    ORIGINAL: lost horn

    "the herd was definately increasing from 1987 untiol 1997.there is no doubtabout it.We needed less deer."

    In 1988 bonus tags started, the herd may have been increasing in some parts of the state but not in the North central, they pounded the heck out of the doe from 1988 until around 2003 now we have these goof ball that say the deerstarved to death up there, I don't mind having less deer in places but don't lie about why we have less.
    very well said
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    Old 01-30-2009, 11:04 AM
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    ORIGINAL: sproulman

    ORIGINAL: DougE

    Jim,deer should have to depend on a mast crop.Mast crops are not dependable and they're a food source that's only available for a limited amount oftime in the fall.Deer need browse and that browse is severly lacking from decades of overbrowsing.

    Losthorn,we have less deer in the northcentral part of the state because the habitat is so poor.That's a fact.
    It's also a fact that counies such as potter and Tioga still had increasing herds up until about 2001.
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    Where in the world did they come up with less deer herds because of habitat? Seriously, Do they make that crap up?
    Where is there proof before they started the HR program?
    The HR program reduced the deer herds so they can't increase in size and now are shrinking because of the doe allocation tags that has not declined to let the deer numbers gain but only decline each year. You watch and see,This year will be the worse deer harvest in PA history.
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    Old 01-30-2009, 11:09 AM
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    The herd in Elk Co. decreased from 33 DPFSM in 1987 to 28 DPFSM in 1997.

    Here is the data provided by RSB.

    Year…buck har…….ant’less har……OWDD/FSM……Recruitment/sq. mile……Deer/sq. mile the next fall
    87…………4.2…………………4.6……… ..……..33…………………………..6.4… ………………………………………….. 36.4
    88…………4.1………………..5.9………⠀¦..…..29………………………….10.5…⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.36 .8
    89…………4.2…………………5.3……… …..…..30………………………….5.3…⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦ 32.5
    90…………3.4…………………6.3……… ………..25………………………….4.6… …………………………………………†¦27.3
    91…………3.4…………………4.7……… ………..21………………………….7.2… …………………………………………†¦26.3
    92…………3.5…………………2.7……… ………..22………………………….10.5†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦. 30.5
    93…………3.6…………………3.2……… ………..26………………………….12.6†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦. 36.2
    94…………3.9…………………4.9……… …..…..30………………………….8.2…⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦ .35.4
    95…………3.7…………………5.2……… …..……29………………………….1.4… …………………………………………†¦.27.7
    96…………2.9…………………3.8……… …..……23………………………….5.3… …………………………………………†¦.26.2
    97…………3.3…………………3.7……… …..……21………………………….9.2… …………………………………………†¦.28.3
    98…………3.3…………………3.2……… …………24………………………….8.1†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â €¦.29.9
    99…………3.6…………………2.5……… …………26………………………….6.9†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â €¦.30.5
    00…………3.3…………………3.6……… ………..26………………………….4.4… …………………………………………†¦..28.0
    01…………3.1…………………3.0……… …..…..24………………………….6.1…⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦ ..27.9
    02…………2.7…………………5.3……… …..…..22………………………….4.3…⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦ ..24.3
    03………..2.3………………..3.9………†¦â€¦â€¦..20………………………….N/A…………………………………………⠀¦â€¦.N/A

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    Old 01-30-2009, 11:20 AM
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    It also looks like the herd numbers fluctuated also between those years. So I would guess that is normal. Right or wrong?
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    Old 01-30-2009, 11:21 AM
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    In 1988 bonus tags started, the herd may have been increasing in some parts of the state but not in the North central, they pounded the heck out of the doe from 1988 until around 2003 now we have these goof ball that say the deerstarved to death up there, I don't mind having less deer in places but don't lie about why we have less.

    Bonus tags as such, ended in 1996. During that period ('88 to '96)we saw little difference in thelarge numbers ofdeerwe had by then,in the part of 3A that I hunt in. Deer numbers didn't start to noticeably drop around there,untila few yearsafter concurrent seasons started in 2001.

    At least in "my" area of 3A, deer had increased greatly by the late 90s, over what had been the norm for the previous 30 years I'd hunted there. Most of that increase was noticeable from the late 70s on.By the late 90s it wasn't unusual to see over 80 deer per day (mostly doe), while hunting in firearms seasons.

    Now I know from past experience, that one here will spout his nonsense that no one cares what I saw, nor did the PGC care what I or others that hunted in the same area saw. Nor do any of my observations count. Only his observations count and since I can't read 'em...so be it.

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    Old 01-30-2009, 12:08 PM
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    Oh I am sorry, they started calling them SURPLUS LICENSES in 1997, you must of had a much better hunting spot than me to see that many deer, I hunted Cameron and Potter and and never seen that many.
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    Old 01-30-2009, 12:42 PM
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    ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack

    It also looks like the herd numbers fluctuated also between those years. So I would guess that is normal. Right or wrong?
    There will always be some fluctuation in deer numbers due to changes in recruitment and difference in the number of antlerless tags issued. But it is clear that the population was decreasing prior to 2000.
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    Old 01-30-2009, 01:47 PM
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    I've hunted deer in lots of places since 1960, that didn't have all that many deer either.

    Some of them had more deer by the 90s, some didn't. I tended to hunt where they were more plentiful, still do. Even though numbers there are about half what they were in the peak years, there are still more deer around than in the 70s. Your experiences may well differ?

    It's a big state we live and hunt in.
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    Old 01-30-2009, 01:57 PM
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    I've hunted deer in lots of places since 1960, that didn't have all that many deer either.
    I often wonder how many deer are,"all that many deer"? In the 60's the deer were still expanding their range and even 2B had low deer densities while the northern tier counties had much higher deer densities. Now the exact opposite is true ,but only because the harvests in the northern tier exceeded recruitment while in many southern tier counties harvests were less than recruitment.
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