Predators and deer
01-21-2009, 06:30 PM
#111
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack
If your deer numbers are way below carry capacity in 2G, Why does the PGC still give out 21,000 doe tags and who knows how many Dmap tags for 2G?
They don't even take predators into account when manageing wildlife and carry capacity. That is crazy.
If your deer numbers are way below carry capacity in 2G, Why does the PGC still give out 21,000 doe tags and who knows how many Dmap tags for 2G?
They don't even take predators into account when manageing wildlife and carry capacity. That is crazy.
i hear they may be starting a study group on that first week affect.
you are right, the fly over failed and did not show deer that they wanted it to show was here in wmu2g.
i can tell you, i know western clinton county very well.
no way we have 12 dpsm, or 9 dpsm, or 6dpsm.
in fact, i have not heard anyone say locally they saw more than 2 deer running together.
that alone should say something .........
01-21-2009, 07:16 PM
#112
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
I never called you a BLXX job or anything close to that. you have called me a liar over and over again without any facts to support your claims and engaged in constant cheap shots and insults.
You can move on to whatever you want, but don't lie about my positions and don't engage in mindless name calling as you have done in the past.
I never called you a BLXX job or anything close to that. you have called me a liar over and over again without any facts to support your claims and engaged in constant cheap shots and insults.
You can move on to whatever you want, but don't lie about my positions and don't engage in mindless name calling as you have done in the past.
I never called you BLXXjob. I called you Bluejob and Blueboy. As I said, it went both ways. The holier than thou attitude just won't fly. Here are a few reminders of some things you've posted.
That is pure unadulterated nonsense.
you do not know what you are talking about
Once again you simply don't know what you are talking about.
These poor fools
And you aren't smart enough
Buck season is over dumkopf!
So the only delusional hunters are those that deny the reality that ARs decrease the buck harvest
You sound like you don't have a clue about deer management.
Thank for proving to one and all that you lack even the most basic understanding of the issues.
That is pure unadulterated horse puckey.
that was a lie and you are still defending that lie.
Do you mean like you lied about when Ars were implemented?
When you graduate from kindergarten let we know and maybe we can resume this discussion.
Wrong again fool.
That is an outright lie.
That is a flat out lie.
Obviously you are a blithering idiot, because i don't gather the data ,the PGC does!!!
I doubt that you'd understand any documentation I might provide.
Once again you demonstrated your total ignorance
I'm not about to provide any documentation for a clown
Have you ever had an idea of your own?
Do you have a brain?
You really are amazingly ignorant! WMU2G doesn't include any of Bradford Co
You haven't come close to being amusing. You are simply annoying and immature.
That is more pure nonsense from BTB
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Do you have a translation?
well , I agree you are not special and you just might be well below the average.
Here we have a prime example of a rack hunter who does nothing to contribute to the management of the herd, but yet belittles those that do the work of controlling the herd.
So are you an omega hunter or an alpha hunter or just a pain in the butt?
Please continue to flaunt your ignorance for all to see.
Don't want to be called names? Don't use em. Don't want atacks and insults? Don't give me out! I'm trying to put an end to this.
I will continue to challenge posts that appear misleading or incorrect but lets stop the constant rehashing and yes, the "dead horse beating"
01-21-2009, 07:37 PM
#113
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Predators and deer
[quote]ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
I never called you BLXXjob. I called you Bluejob and Blueboy. As I said, it went both ways. The holier than thou attitude just won't fly. Here are a few reminders of some things you've posted.
That is pure unadulterated nonsense.
you do not know what you are talking about
Once again you simply don't know what you are talking about.
These poor fools
And you aren't smart enough
Buck season is over dumkopf!
So the only delusional hunters are those that deny the reality that ARs decrease the buck harvest
You sound like you don't have a clue about deer management.
Thank for proving to one and all that you lack even the most basic understanding of the issues.
That is pure unadulterated horse puckey.
that was a lie and you are still defending that lie.
Do you mean like you lied about when Ars were implemented?
When you graduate from kindergarten let we know and maybe we can resume this discussion.
Wrong again fool.
That is an outright lie.
That is a flat out lie.
Obviously you are a blithering idiot, because i don't gather the data ,the PGC does!!!
I doubt that you'd understand any documentation I might provide.
Once again you demonstrated your total ignorance
I'm not about to provide any documentation for a clown
Have you ever had an idea of your own?
Do you have a brain?
You really are amazingly ignorant! WMU2G doesn't include any of Bradford Co
You haven't come close to being amusing. You are simply annoying and immature.
That is more pure nonsense from BTB
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Do you have a translation?
well , I agree you are not special and you just might be well below the average.
Here we have a prime example of a rack hunter who does nothing to contribute to the management of the herd, but yet belittles those that do the work of controlling the herd.
So are you an omega hunter or an alpha hunter or just a pain in the butt?
Please continue to flaunt your ignorance for all to see.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
I never called you a BLXX job or anything close to that. you have called me a liar over and over again without any facts to support your claims and engaged in constant cheap shots and insults.
You can move on to whatever you want, but don't lie about my positions and don't engage in mindless name calling as you have done in the past.
I never called you a BLXX job or anything close to that. you have called me a liar over and over again without any facts to support your claims and engaged in constant cheap shots and insults.
You can move on to whatever you want, but don't lie about my positions and don't engage in mindless name calling as you have done in the past.
I never called you BLXXjob. I called you Bluejob and Blueboy. As I said, it went both ways. The holier than thou attitude just won't fly. Here are a few reminders of some things you've posted.
That is pure unadulterated nonsense.
you do not know what you are talking about
Once again you simply don't know what you are talking about.
These poor fools
And you aren't smart enough
Buck season is over dumkopf!
So the only delusional hunters are those that deny the reality that ARs decrease the buck harvest
You sound like you don't have a clue about deer management.
Thank for proving to one and all that you lack even the most basic understanding of the issues.
That is pure unadulterated horse puckey.
that was a lie and you are still defending that lie.
Do you mean like you lied about when Ars were implemented?
When you graduate from kindergarten let we know and maybe we can resume this discussion.
Wrong again fool.
That is an outright lie.
That is a flat out lie.
Obviously you are a blithering idiot, because i don't gather the data ,the PGC does!!!
I doubt that you'd understand any documentation I might provide.
Once again you demonstrated your total ignorance
I'm not about to provide any documentation for a clown
Have you ever had an idea of your own?
Do you have a brain?
You really are amazingly ignorant! WMU2G doesn't include any of Bradford Co
You haven't come close to being amusing. You are simply annoying and immature.
That is more pure nonsense from BTB
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Do you have a translation?
well , I agree you are not special and you just might be well below the average.
Here we have a prime example of a rack hunter who does nothing to contribute to the management of the herd, but yet belittles those that do the work of controlling the herd.
So are you an omega hunter or an alpha hunter or just a pain in the butt?
Please continue to flaunt your ignorance for all to see.
01-22-2009, 02:26 AM
#114
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: 3c pa
Posts: 1,212
RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: sproulman
PGC did stop doe killing for first week of gun, that was start in wmu2g.
i hear they may be starting a study group on that first week affect.
you are right, the fly over failed and did not show deer that they wanted it to show was here in wmu2g.
i can tell you, i know western clinton county very well.
no way we have 12 dpsm, or 9 dpsm, or 6dpsm.
in fact, i have not heard anyone say locally they saw more than 2 deer running together.
that alone should say something .........
ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack
If your deer numbers are way below carry capacity in 2G, Why does the PGC still give out 21,000 doe tags and who knows how many Dmap tags for 2G?
They don't even take predators into account when manageing wildlife and carry capacity. That is crazy.
If your deer numbers are way below carry capacity in 2G, Why does the PGC still give out 21,000 doe tags and who knows how many Dmap tags for 2G?
They don't even take predators into account when manageing wildlife and carry capacity. That is crazy.
i hear they may be starting a study group on that first week affect.
you are right, the fly over failed and did not show deer that they wanted it to show was here in wmu2g.
i can tell you, i know western clinton county very well.
no way we have 12 dpsm, or 9 dpsm, or 6dpsm.
in fact, i have not heard anyone say locally they saw more than 2 deer running together.
that alone should say something .........
Sproul 3c was in that no doe the first week too and i liked it
i know some complained it wasnt fair but they bought there doe
tags for other wmu
Anyway since pgc is willing to do no doe's for a week in certain areas
that should mean they are doing there job and monitoring and ajusting
doe to what is needed right?
01-22-2009, 05:03 AM
#115
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: Predators and deer
that should mean they are doing there job and monitoring and ajusting
doe to what is needed right?
doe to what is needed right?
01-22-2009, 06:01 AM
#116
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
RE: Predators and deer
Sproul,explain how the FLIR's were a failure and who were they a failure to?
Bowtruck,I grew up right on the border or 3C and 3B and most of my family still lives in one of those two units.I didn't hunt up there this year but most years I do and I can tell you one thing.The habitat in 3C rivals some of the worst habitat in 2G.My brother lives at the very bottom of 3C,It's all agriculture around his property but other than that,the habitat is terrible.I have another buddy that owns hundreds of acres just outside of Montrose.Other than their food plots,the habitat is absolute crap.That area has some of the most overbrowsed habitat I've ever seen.It's terrible and the one thing they don't need is to lay off the does in that unit.Incientally,3C's herd healthis rated as the poorest in the state.Out of 40 roadkilled female fawns checked between 2003 and 2005,none were pregnant.That's terrible.2G even had three.
Bowtruck,I grew up right on the border or 3C and 3B and most of my family still lives in one of those two units.I didn't hunt up there this year but most years I do and I can tell you one thing.The habitat in 3C rivals some of the worst habitat in 2G.My brother lives at the very bottom of 3C,It's all agriculture around his property but other than that,the habitat is terrible.I have another buddy that owns hundreds of acres just outside of Montrose.Other than their food plots,the habitat is absolute crap.That area has some of the most overbrowsed habitat I've ever seen.It's terrible and the one thing they don't need is to lay off the does in that unit.Incientally,3C's herd healthis rated as the poorest in the state.Out of 40 roadkilled female fawns checked between 2003 and 2005,none were pregnant.That's terrible.2G even had three.
01-22-2009, 09:38 AM
#117
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: Predators and deer
Incientally,3C's herd health is rated as the poorest in the state.Out of 40 roadkilled female fawns checked between 2003 and 2005,none were pregnant.That's terrible.2G even had three.
01-22-2009, 09:54 AM
#118
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
RE: Predators and deer
Oops,your right.they were just rated poor in 2006.Regardless,they did have the lowest fawn conception rate in the state.
The habitat is extremley poor in the areas that I hunt and visted.When was the last time P&G had any wood cut in 3C?I may have misunderstood,but my brother works atP&G and I could have sworn that they stopped making pulp there quite a few years ago.I thought theyput a couple more paper machines in and started shipping in the pulp.I could be wrong about that.
The habitat is extremley poor in the areas that I hunt and visted.When was the last time P&G had any wood cut in 3C?I may have misunderstood,but my brother works atP&G and I could have sworn that they stopped making pulp there quite a few years ago.I thought theyput a couple more paper machines in and started shipping in the pulp.I could be wrong about that.
01-22-2009, 12:14 PM
#119
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: Predators and deer
Oops,your right.they were just rated poor in 2006.Regardless,they did have the lowest fawn conception rate in the state.
You are right that P&G stopped cutting pulp some time ago. But all the cutting they did since the 70's should have allowed the habitat in the uncut areas to recover. If it didn't it was due to shading and not the deer.
01-22-2009, 12:46 PM
#120
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: DougE
Sproul,explain how the FLIR's were a failure and who were they a failure to?
Bowtruck,I grew up right on the border or 3C and 3B and most of my family still lives in one of those two units.I didn't hunt up there this year but most years I do and I can tell you one thing.The habitat in 3C rivals some of the worst habitat in 2G.My brother lives at the very bottom of 3C,It's all agriculture around his property but other than that,the habitat is terrible.I have another buddy that owns hundreds of acres just outside of Montrose.Other than their food plots,the habitat is absolute crap.That area has some of the most overbrowsed habitat I've ever seen.It's terrible and the one thing they don't need is to lay off the does in that unit.Incientally,3C's herd healthis rated as the poorest in the state.Out of 40 roadkilled female fawns checked between 2003 and 2005,none were pregnant.That's terrible.2G even had three.
Sproul,explain how the FLIR's were a failure and who were they a failure to?
Bowtruck,I grew up right on the border or 3C and 3B and most of my family still lives in one of those two units.I didn't hunt up there this year but most years I do and I can tell you one thing.The habitat in 3C rivals some of the worst habitat in 2G.My brother lives at the very bottom of 3C,It's all agriculture around his property but other than that,the habitat is terrible.I have another buddy that owns hundreds of acres just outside of Montrose.Other than their food plots,the habitat is absolute crap.That area has some of the most overbrowsed habitat I've ever seen.It's terrible and the one thing they don't need is to lay off the does in that unit.Incientally,3C's herd healthis rated as the poorest in the state.Out of 40 roadkilled female fawns checked between 2003 and 2005,none were pregnant.That's terrible.2G even had three.
douge, how many dpsm did the flir show for clinton county.
dont give me they were hiding behind pine trees is why few were shown.
