Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
12-29-2008, 05:15 PM
#32
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
Just for the sake of perspective. The annual report in the January Game news itemizes the expenditures from te game fund. Of the almost 69 Million dollars spent, just a little over 300,000 was spent on endangered/ threatened and nongame programs. Thats less one half of one percent for all of those species combinedand a lot of that money comes from federal grants.
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
12-29-2008, 05:16 PM
#33
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
Listen, I enjoy watching wildlife as much as the next guy.
My point is that the PGC is having financial problems. the constantly whine about not having enough funds(see RSB's post)
Yet the PGC continues to fund projects that probably not really neede right now. Yes itsnice to see river otters and fishers, but those aren't game animals. We all know that pheasants and rabbit populations need help.
Wouldn't it make more sense to put money in those areas instead of reintrducing fishers?
I just don't see why the PGC would fund something like this when funds are so low.
Because of the economy, many business managers have to make cuts. Why pour money into a nongame animal if funds are low? Why not cut that project and worry about managing game species?
Many hunters are dropping out of the sport and one of the reasons is lack of game.
As mentioned, you don't need a hunting license to just go out and view wildlife.
Why worry about fishers? Fishers do go after porcupines with a vengance. Kinda makes me wonder why the PGC would be so interested in them and willing to spend their "limited" funds on reintroducing them.
My point is that the PGC is having financial problems. the constantly whine about not having enough funds(see RSB's post)
Yet the PGC continues to fund projects that probably not really neede right now. Yes itsnice to see river otters and fishers, but those aren't game animals. We all know that pheasants and rabbit populations need help.
Wouldn't it make more sense to put money in those areas instead of reintrducing fishers?
I just don't see why the PGC would fund something like this when funds are so low.
Because of the economy, many business managers have to make cuts. Why pour money into a nongame animal if funds are low? Why not cut that project and worry about managing game species?
Many hunters are dropping out of the sport and one of the reasons is lack of game.
As mentioned, you don't need a hunting license to just go out and view wildlife.
Why worry about fishers? Fishers do go after porcupines with a vengance. Kinda makes me wonder why the PGC would be so interested in them and willing to spend their "limited" funds on reintroducing them.
12-29-2008, 05:24 PM
#34
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Just for the sake of perspective. The annual report in the January Game news itemizes the expenditures from te game fund. Of the almost 69 Million dollars spent, just a little over 300,000 was spent on endangered/ threatened and nongame programs. Thats less one half of one percent for all of those species combinedand a lot of that money comes from federal grants.
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
Just for the sake of perspective. The annual report in the January Game news itemizes the expenditures from te game fund. Of the almost 69 Million dollars spent, just a little over 300,000 was spent on endangered/ threatened and nongame programs. Thats less one half of one percent for all of those species combinedand a lot of that money comes from federal grants.
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
However much they spent towards the fisher project was too much. If funds are really as low as they say, they need to make cuts
12-29-2008, 05:37 PM
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
However much they spent towards the fisher project was too much. If funds are really as low as they say, they need to make cuts
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Just for the sake of perspective. The annual report in the January Game news itemizes the expenditures from te game fund. Of the almost 69 Million dollars spent, just a little over 300,000 was spent on endangered/ threatened and nongame programs. Thats less one half of one percent for all of those species combinedand a lot of that money comes from federal grants.
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
Just for the sake of perspective. The annual report in the January Game news itemizes the expenditures from te game fund. Of the almost 69 Million dollars spent, just a little over 300,000 was spent on endangered/ threatened and nongame programs. Thats less one half of one percent for all of those species combinedand a lot of that money comes from federal grants.
Seems to me this is the wrong tree to bark up!
However much they spent towards the fisher project was too much. If funds are really as low as they say, they need to make cuts
All I'm trying to say is that it might be best to get all the facts before singling out any specific program.
I spend around $100 annually on all the licenses permits and tags I buy in PA. Personally, I'm OK with a whole 40 cents going toward stuff I can't hunt, whether it's fishers woodrats, or even cougars
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12-29-2008, 05:46 PM
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
Here is an idea of mine that I talked about before, several years ago.
Rabbits;
The PGC needs to go around to any interested sportsmen's clubs, 4H, Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts and offer up plans on how to build box traps.
My brother lives in town. His yard is polluted with rabbits. You see them smashed on the streets and in evreyones yard in the summer. I'm sure many small towns are like this.
Anyway, you get all those interested to set their box traps in towns, yards or where ever during the early summer. The PGC would have to approve this.
You catch the rabbits and transplant them to SGL or other areas where hunters have access.
Although they will have young already at the time of trapping they will still reproduce after transplanted.
Heck, the PGC could even ear tag some of them and do studies on how many get harvested later in the fall.
I know, I know, the first thing that will be brought up is suitable habitat to do the transplanting to.
Well, if you look at the habitat they just came from( sidewalks, driveways and manacured lawns) I'm thinking those city dwelling bunnies will find a way to survive out in the woods and fields of the SGL's. Stocked Ringneck pheasants are being dumped into these same areas with little worry if they'll survive.
If ear tags and hunter surveys are put in place, we'll all find out how well this works after a year or two.
Since the Boy Scouts and Sportsmen's clubs would be footing the bill for the traps, the PGC could get awaywith this for very little cost other than their approval to allow this to happen.
By the way, for those that say it won't work, I know a few guys who have been doing this for years. They're big into beagles and have several really awesome rabbit hunting areas because of their efforts.
Rabbits;
The PGC needs to go around to any interested sportsmen's clubs, 4H, Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts and offer up plans on how to build box traps.
My brother lives in town. His yard is polluted with rabbits. You see them smashed on the streets and in evreyones yard in the summer. I'm sure many small towns are like this.
Anyway, you get all those interested to set their box traps in towns, yards or where ever during the early summer. The PGC would have to approve this.
You catch the rabbits and transplant them to SGL or other areas where hunters have access.
Although they will have young already at the time of trapping they will still reproduce after transplanted.
Heck, the PGC could even ear tag some of them and do studies on how many get harvested later in the fall.
I know, I know, the first thing that will be brought up is suitable habitat to do the transplanting to.
Well, if you look at the habitat they just came from( sidewalks, driveways and manacured lawns) I'm thinking those city dwelling bunnies will find a way to survive out in the woods and fields of the SGL's. Stocked Ringneck pheasants are being dumped into these same areas with little worry if they'll survive.
If ear tags and hunter surveys are put in place, we'll all find out how well this works after a year or two.
Since the Boy Scouts and Sportsmen's clubs would be footing the bill for the traps, the PGC could get awaywith this for very little cost other than their approval to allow this to happen.
By the way, for those that say it won't work, I know a few guys who have been doing this for years. They're big into beagles and have several really awesome rabbit hunting areas because of their efforts.
12-29-2008, 05:51 PM
#38
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
if they go after porcupines im fine with less half a % going towards it cost me couple hundred last
time dummy dog got into them heck id donate a dollar when buy my license
time dummy dog got into them heck id donate a dollar when buy my license
12-29-2008, 06:50 PM
#39
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
BTW, have you figured out why adult doe breeding rates have dropped by at least 6%,when you claimed increased breeding rates would offset the loss of adult doe due to HR?
BTW, have you figured out why adult doe breeding rates have dropped by at least 6%,when you claimed increased breeding rates would offset the loss of adult doe due to HR?
12-29-2008, 07:05 PM
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RE: Why is the PGC reintroducing Fishers?
ORIGINAL: yano
Funny how the "purveyor of insults" totally ignored this question, hey?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
BTW, have you figured out why adult doe breeding rates have dropped by at least 6%,when you claimed increased breeding rates would offset the loss of adult doe due to HR?
BTW, have you figured out why adult doe breeding rates have dropped by at least 6%,when you claimed increased breeding rates would offset the loss of adult doe due to HR?