Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
01-01-2009, 04:41 PM
#111
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
I tend to agree bb pgc is in charge make allocations
you shouldnt have to count deer and see if there is enough for you to shoot one
on my land i do if i dont think there enough i dont allow doe hunting its that simple
i have had hunters leave cause of it but its a loss for them
you shouldnt have to count deer and see if there is enough for you to shoot one
on my land i do if i dont think there enough i dont allow doe hunting its that simple
i have had hunters leave cause of it but its a loss for them
01-01-2009, 05:44 PM
#112
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
PGC supporters only want hunters to manage the herd so they have an excuse for the excessive allocation of doe tags in most WMUs. The average hunter has no idea whether there are too many deer, too few deer or the right number in the area they hunt. If there is no snow on the ground even experienced hunters don't know how many deer there are in a given area. The bottom line is the PGC is in charge of managing the herd and they are solely responsible for the fact that the buck harvest has dropped by 46%.
PGC supporters only want hunters to manage the herd so they have an excuse for the excessive allocation of doe tags in most WMUs. The average hunter has no idea whether there are too many deer, too few deer or the right number in the area they hunt. If there is no snow on the ground even experienced hunters don't know how many deer there are in a given area. The bottom line is the PGC is in charge of managing the herd and they are solely responsible for the fact that the buck harvest has dropped by 46%.
No scouting,no spotting or even just a nice shot gun totting winter walk in the woods.
Do they leave home on the first day with a location in mind ,or do they just look for a wide spot in the road and go from there?
God I pitty your neighbors.
01-01-2009, 05:53 PM
#113
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: bowtruck
alright for argument sake how is it the hunters resonabilty not to shoot the does the pgc gives
tags out for them they have wildlife bios how come its expected the hunters to be smarter then
the pros
alright for argument sake how is it the hunters resonabilty not to shoot the does the pgc gives
tags out for them they have wildlife bios how come its expected the hunters to be smarter then
the pros
That being said, It's only a hunters responsibility to not shoot does if he can clearly see that the deer numbers are down in an area.
To put it another way, How can a guy dragging out a doe complain that the area is shot out if he's not willing to practice what he preaches. For example, I know of a fairly big patch of woods very near to my house where all the locals have more or less formed a consensus that the deer numbers are way down in that very localized area. They havegotten together andagreed to only let kids kill does and small bucks. They would be within the law to shoot every doe they have a tag for but they are showing some personal responsibility by exercising restraint where they have all agreed they should. Not any rule or law, just the right thing to do.
01-01-2009, 05:55 PM
#114
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: bowtruck
I tend to agree bb pgc is in charge make allocations
you shouldnt have to count deer and see if there is enough for you to shoot one
on my land i do if i dont think there enough i dont allow doe hunting its that simple
i have had hunters leave cause of it but its a loss for them
I tend to agree bb pgc is in charge make allocations
you shouldnt have to count deer and see if there is enough for you to shoot one
on my land i do if i dont think there enough i dont allow doe hunting its that simple
i have had hunters leave cause of it but its a loss for them
01-01-2009, 06:07 PM
#115
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
bowtruck, you are doing exactly what I was talking about. Again, it is the PGC's responsibility to alocate tags but therewill always be spots where we as sportsmen can help the process when we see it's needed.
01-01-2009, 06:09 PM
#116
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
So you want the hunters to manage the herd ,as long as those hunters aren't members of the USP. Should all the hunters in 2G agree to stop buying antlerless tags because 2G has the lowest harvest rate of any WMU. Should RSB stop telling hunters that the habitat is controlling the herd in 2g ,instead of the harvests. If the habitat is controlling the herd then hunters in 2G should shoot every antlerless deer that they can, because if they don't those deer will starve and be wasted.
bowtruck, you are doing exactly what I was talking about. Again, it is the PGC's responsibility to alocate tags but therewill always be spots where we as sportsmen can help the process when we see it's needed.
01-01-2009, 06:12 PM
#117
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
jim i think most have a idea from scouting the day or week before for a hour or two not that
thats anywhere near enough but i think its the sad truth
thankfully i dont have any neighbors
thats anywhere near enough but i think its the sad truth
thankfully i dont have any neighbors
01-01-2009, 06:27 PM
#118
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2
So you want the hunters to manage the herd ,as long as those hunters aren't members of the USP. Should all the hunters in 2G agree to stop buying antlerless tags because 2G has the lowest harvest rate of any WMU. Should RSB stop telling hunters that the habitat is controlling the herd in 2g ,instead of the harvests. If the habitat is controlling the herd then hunters in 2G should shoot every antlerless deer that they can, because if they don't those deer will starve and be wasted.
bowtruck, you are doing exactly what I was talking about. Again, it is the PGC's responsibility to alocate tags but therewill always be spots where we as sportsmen can help the process when we see it's needed.
01-01-2009, 06:40 PM
#119
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RE: Do you agree with extent of Herd Reduction in Pa?
bb they wouldnt go to waste all the mountain lions yote bears fishers i know i am missing some
but they could eat um up so no waste
oh yea blah blah i needed one of them
but they could eat um up so no waste
oh yea blah blah i needed one of them
