PA harvest #'s?????????
04-08-2008, 07:16 AM
#131
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
ORIGINAL: DougE
Archer,each game lands has a specific management plan and they are timbering.They just can't cut more than 1%a year.We have a very even agaed stand of timber in this part of the state and that's one of the reason we have a habitat problem.If they go in and wack down too much timber,we'll be faced with even worse habitat in about 15 years.Look at Parker dam.That area was a mecca for wildlife after the tornado of 1985.Unfortunately,it's now pole timber and thousands of acres that were once thriving habitat are now useless to wildlife.I think you'd agree that the dd in that area reflects what I'm saying.
Archer,each game lands has a specific management plan and they are timbering.They just can't cut more than 1%a year.We have a very even agaed stand of timber in this part of the state and that's one of the reason we have a habitat problem.If they go in and wack down too much timber,we'll be faced with even worse habitat in about 15 years.Look at Parker dam.That area was a mecca for wildlife after the tornado of 1985.Unfortunately,it's now pole timber and thousands of acres that were once thriving habitat are now useless to wildlife.I think you'd agree that the dd in that area reflects what I'm saying.
My problem comes with thestupid idea of harvesting less than 1 % of available timber.
Your example of the tornado damage clearly makes my point . A healthy forest has trees of all ages,seedlings to old growth ,this means no forest would ever be man made to grow into the wildlife void areas of pole timber we now have.We have no controls over mother nature but thank god the sever damage done to our state by the tornadoes is not a frequent occurrence.
Private property that is manged intelligently can be select cut every 10 - 15 years, continually guaranteeing a diverse habitat for all wildlife.
As an Alt detractor I will also go on record as saying the growth in our states black bear population isa direct resultof the 85 tornado's and little or nothing Dr. Alt did.
04-08-2008, 07:56 AM
#132
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
bluebird,there isn't a SGL anywhere around here that has a deer density even close to 12 dpsm.Last week I took a short ride through SGL 77 and saw close to 60 deer.The habitat on our state game lands is managed much better than most private land and the deer densities are no where near 12 dpsm.
Cutting 1%/yr. will actually decrease the carrying capacity, because in the long term the percentage of saw timber will decrease and the percentage of pole timber will increase ,while seedlings and saplings will remain constant.
04-08-2008, 09:21 AM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
I'm surprised I'm not getting any responses to how I see things developing.
I really do not feel that whats best for the sportsmen of PAis inwhats is being put forth by our governing bodies, that being DCNR, PGC or the Governors office.
I really do not feel that whats best for the sportsmen of PAis inwhats is being put forth by our governing bodies, that being DCNR, PGC or the Governors office.
04-08-2008, 09:43 AM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
Sportsman are obviously not coming first.
This great sport is dieing in PA.(Fact)
Growing # of Existing Hunters are disgruntled(Fact).
The PGC is having financial problems that will only get worse with this plan-Less License Sales (Fact)
The existing couple of deer in many areas will continue to be reduced(Fact)
The Bucks will get bigger(Fact)
People who only hunt occasionally and pay for a license don't care about big bucks (Fact)
People who only hunt occasionally and pay for a license don't care about big bucks will continue to drift away(Fact)
Our sport in PA is Dieing and the PGC is not listening because hunters don't come first(Fact)
I love the bigger bucks, but in our area that could have been achieved with AR not HR. We now have almost no bucks to let grow.
Who is going to pay for this sport in 20 years, the few of us that want to shoot trophy deer???
This great sport is dieing in PA.(Fact)
Growing # of Existing Hunters are disgruntled(Fact).
The PGC is having financial problems that will only get worse with this plan-Less License Sales (Fact)
The existing couple of deer in many areas will continue to be reduced(Fact)
The Bucks will get bigger(Fact)
People who only hunt occasionally and pay for a license don't care about big bucks (Fact)
People who only hunt occasionally and pay for a license don't care about big bucks will continue to drift away(Fact)
Our sport in PA is Dieing and the PGC is not listening because hunters don't come first(Fact)
I love the bigger bucks, but in our area that could have been achieved with AR not HR. We now have almost no bucks to let grow.
Who is going to pay for this sport in 20 years, the few of us that want to shoot trophy deer???
04-08-2008, 06:01 PM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
I want the Game Commission to explain to me how the bucks will get bigger when our healthy and good genetic 1-1/2 year old deer are 7 and 8 point bucks that get shot? And junior hunters can shot any size buck? So anyone with a junior hunter in their group is now shooting any buck and having the junior tag it. The only way to get big bucks is: 5 points a side (because this will keep all the 1-1/2 year old deer from being shot.) And don't let juniors shot anything. We also might need a few does around to have more deer to.
04-08-2008, 06:19 PM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
ORIGINAL: PA Screaming Eagle
I want the Game Commission to explain to me how the bucks will get bigger when our healthy and good genetic 1-1/2 year old deer are 7 and 8 point bucks that get shot? And junior hunters can shot any size buck? So anyone with a junior hunter in their group is now shooting any buck and having the junior tag it. The only way to get big bucks is: 5 points a side (because this will keep all the 1-1/2 year old deer from being shot.) And don't let juniors shot anything. We also might need a few does around to have more deer to.
I want the Game Commission to explain to me how the bucks will get bigger when our healthy and good genetic 1-1/2 year old deer are 7 and 8 point bucks that get shot? And junior hunters can shot any size buck? So anyone with a junior hunter in their group is now shooting any buck and having the junior tag it. The only way to get big bucks is: 5 points a side (because this will keep all the 1-1/2 year old deer from being shot.) And don't let juniors shot anything. We also might need a few does around to have more deer to.
most of this is being done in crews driving deer with kids under 16from what i am hearing in field from other hunters.
they dont even look to see if it has 3 points on side.
its BROWN ITS DOWN WITH A KIDS TAG.
this must stop and the only way to stop it is the buck MUST HAVE 3 POINTS PER SIDE FOR ALL OF US, KIDS INCLUDED.
sad how we hunters use a good thing to ruin it and take advantage.
also if you think all those 7 year old kids shot that big buck in archery with bow, you better wake up.
i am mad as h at what i feel is happening ,overharvest of doe, kids tags being used to shoot ANY deer,using no tag with young kid so daddy can get another deer and not have to buy a license.
what a mess they opened up with that one.[:@]
04-08-2008, 07:03 PM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
ORIGINAL: sproulman
your comments on adults shooting ANY deer is true.
most of this is being done in crews driving deer with kids under 16from what i am hearing in field from other hunters.
they dont even look to see if it has 3 points on side.
its BROWN ITS DOWN WITH A KIDS TAG.
this must stop and the only way to stop it is the buck MUST HAVE 3 POINTS PER SIDE FOR ALL OF US, KIDS INCLUDED.
sad how we hunters use a good thing to ruin it and take advantage.
also if you think all those 7 year old kids shot that big buck in archery with bow, you better wake up.
i am mad as h at what i feel is happening ,overharvest of doe, kids tags being used to shoot ANY deer,using no tag with young kid so daddy can get another deer and not have to buy a license.
what a mess they opened up with that one.[:@]
ORIGINAL: PA Screaming Eagle
I want the Game Commission to explain to me how the bucks will get bigger when our healthy and good genetic 1-1/2 year old deer are 7 and 8 point bucks that get shot? And junior hunters can shot any size buck? So anyone with a junior hunter in their group is now shooting any buck and having the junior tag it. The only way to get big bucks is: 5 points a side (because this will keep all the 1-1/2 year old deer from being shot.) And don't let juniors shot anything. We also might need a few does around to have more deer to.
I want the Game Commission to explain to me how the bucks will get bigger when our healthy and good genetic 1-1/2 year old deer are 7 and 8 point bucks that get shot? And junior hunters can shot any size buck? So anyone with a junior hunter in their group is now shooting any buck and having the junior tag it. The only way to get big bucks is: 5 points a side (because this will keep all the 1-1/2 year old deer from being shot.) And don't let juniors shot anything. We also might need a few does around to have more deer to.
most of this is being done in crews driving deer with kids under 16from what i am hearing in field from other hunters.
they dont even look to see if it has 3 points on side.
its BROWN ITS DOWN WITH A KIDS TAG.
this must stop and the only way to stop it is the buck MUST HAVE 3 POINTS PER SIDE FOR ALL OF US, KIDS INCLUDED.
sad how we hunters use a good thing to ruin it and take advantage.
also if you think all those 7 year old kids shot that big buck in archery with bow, you better wake up.
i am mad as h at what i feel is happening ,overharvest of doe, kids tags being used to shoot ANY deer,using no tag with young kid so daddy can get another deer and not have to buy a license.
what a mess they opened up with that one.[:@]
I challenge either one of you to produce even one shred of credible proof that the kids antler retriction is being abused any more than the usual percentage of poaching we have always had!
Sproul you've made this outrageous claim over and over and now you've finally acquired an echo. It's time for you to produce some proof! And don't reference some newspaper article from 800 miles away like you did to "prove" your cougar fantasy!
If it was really a problem, the WCO's would be complaining... the citations for those caught would show a pattern if there was one. Prove it or get off your soapbox and leave the kids alone!
04-08-2008, 07:14 PM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
Btbowhunter you are naive if you think this does not get abused just like everything else (i.e. shooting multiple deer to fill out antlerless tags).
Years ago when there were a lot of deer in 2G, Sunday night before the buck season openersounded like a fireworks display when you stepped outside our cabin.
Years ago when there were a lot of deer in 2G, Sunday night before the buck season openersounded like a fireworks display when you stepped outside our cabin.
04-08-2008, 08:09 PM
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RE: PA harvest #'s?????????
I also call BS on the junior tags get over it they don't sell enough to matter, turn them in or clam up.I have no time for slobs and if you don't turn them in you are as guilty as the slobs them selves.