SteveBNy

Its always happy hour somewhere.

Steve

Pawildman

Wow. I don't even know how to reply to that. Sproul, you just continually miss the point. And what does WMU's have to do with hunting an area that has a higher deer population? The last time I looked, my general hunting license entitled me to kill a buck anywhere in the state. Antlerless license are definitely WMU specific, and unless you have license for two areas, and I believe that's all you can get, you are limited to hunt in that area. If the deer are a little thin in one spot, get off your duff and go somewhere else. It's just that simple. Seems to me that you are one of the ones I talked about in my previous post that just simply can't handle the fact that your old spot is no good anymore. Well, Duhhh.... And I'll let you in on another little secret....even in times of higher deer densities. deer can and will change the places they frequent, and the trails they use. Simply because you have killed deer for X number of years off a certain spot does not guarantee that spot will continue to produce again and again. Things change. Habitat and the enviornment changes. This is a big reason why if you can't adapt to some change, you will be bawling and yelling about how all the deer have been shot off just because you can't cash in at the old tree stump anymore. I guess some people just can't get it.

sproulman

when the county controlled the doe permits, we had deer.

can i ask question,WHERE IS SOMEWHERE?

we wanted small WMU,s inside our county only,this is what i stood up and spoke of at big meeting at LOCK HAVEN UNIVERSITY with gary alt.

what did we get, 7 or 8 county in wmu you could go to and get doe.

this was done because they knew that ole sprouls idea would not wipe doe out,they knew we would try to keep our doe in check and it would have worked great for us but not DCNR..

my OLD SPOT is no good because of 1 thing,overharvest of doe/fawns..

you know how many fawns i saw this year in a 30 mile area?

5 fawns,of course, the early season with in-lines was meant to reduce fawns.

gary alt told me that.

to be honest, i dont know what we are going to have next year to hunt.

i cant wait to see if everyone takes the second week of season to hunt deer because of the no doe the first week.

i think hunters will take first day off,then save their vacation or personel days until second week,or they could get their doe permits in another WMU,that could happen too.

already the schools are thinking of letting kids off for first day of buck and second monday of deer.

you would have to see how bad things are here inWMU2G ,clinton/potter/cameronto come to what i report and suggest..

no matter what i say, DCNR is going to do what they want on deer..

isnt it funny that DCNR never mentioned HUNTING in their last mission comments recentlyby the top DCNR boy.

we better wake up,throw water on our faces and start getting real mad on what is happening.[:@]good day!

rem700man

rem700man

Pawildman:
I get what your saying,,,I get what the PGC was trying to do,,,the herd needed reduced,,ok,,but did it need reduced to the point where "The Old Stump" is no longer an option on opening week? This is the only part of what happened to the deer herd that upsets me,,,I think there was alot of other things that needed to happen in addition to reducing the deer herd to have a better quality of herd,,such as educating individual landowners on things such as burning,,tree culling etc... to provide a better habitat for the wildlife in general,,,but since this would be just about impossible for the PGC to MAKE happen,,,what better way other than to rely on the Greed we hunters tend to have,,,,hand out tags like their candy,,,im not much on conspiricies but i bet reducing the herd to it's current level made alot of folks look good in the eyes of insurance co's and logging co's.

sproulman

good info,REM.
we asked the DCNR to control burn, they said NO,it will kill the lizards and bugs.
i have to remember there are more important things than deer in woods.
gary alt asked the hunters to not shoot the little bucks and fawns,I WAS THERE AT BIG MEETING AND HEARD IT..

after the meeting was over, state rep interviewed ole sproul.

i said,IF YOU THINK that most of hunters will let a small buck or fawn go, it aint going to happen..........

sportsman will but we are outnumbered.

if the DCNR would just burn small areas in woods and take out a few MAPLE TREES to let in sunlight to ground, you would have nice browse for deer.

oh, i forgot, there are those LIZARDS again,hey, i heard someone saw one with white dots on, no kidding.

DougE

DCNR does do controlled burns but it's very labor intensive and the liability laws are not favorable to the one lighting the match.There are are habitat improvements that can be made and they are being done.However,the bottom line is that we had way too many deer for way too long.

nodog

Then why inforce a point requirement. That "bottom line" is much bigger. Just another Government 2 step.

Too many deer? It has taken Ohio decades to get where we are and it can all be lost in a few years. Pa can find it's self in the same shape and maybe already.

I don't know how any huntercan see a reduction of harvested animalsin the amount of200,000good and it take just 3 seasons. That is just shy of the total harvest for the whole state of Ohio this year and more than others around me.

That 200,000 was in the 3rd year. There were reductions in previous years so the total lose was much more.

200,000 just boggels my mind. That was 2005. Been 2 more seasons since.

sproulman

douge, DCNR does have labor, i see many riding in trucks all over woods.

did they ever think of involving the sportsmens clubs and camp owners and fire companies, i bet they would get 500 volunteers per controlled burn,easy.

we asked them if we could cut our own food plots etc with their supervision, they said no.
they even told us we cant feed the deer also.

so, VOLUNTEERS we can get ,thats no problem.

after a fire the growth is amazing and deer love it.

i had friend who used to controlburn his PRIVATE PROPERTY every year.

did you know the DCNR tried to stop himfrom doing it.
they could not because it was on his land but they tried.

he does it so deer have feed and IT WORKS.

sadly he does kill a few of those LIZARDS with white dots on.

DougE

nodog,not being a wiseguy but I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Sproul,DCNR can't stop anyone from doing a controlled burn on their property.Period.DEP may be able to do something about it and local ordinances could also have a say but DCNR has no control over what a person does on their property.

I've seen examples of controlled burns in MOSHANNON STATE FOREST.Conditions have to be perfect and it takes alot of time and manpower.It's not nearly as easy as you think.

Volunteer's?Give me a break.There's a browse cutting sceduled for this weekend om SGL 93 in Clearfield county.All total,they'll be lucky to get 12 volunteers.