BTBowhunter

I couldn't agree more. There's no excuse for not reporting a poacher, but the kind of guy who would use a kids tag ought to have every decent sportsman mad as hell and certainly mad enough to report it.

I cant say for sure, but I don't recall reading about him reporting all the things that he just "knows" are going on. But if this guy called the PGC for every violation he claims to "know for sure happened" I'd bet that they'd need 10 WCO's in his area to check them all out.

sproulman

first, the people that are doing this antler thingare not slimeballs, they are average hunter,could be your neighbor.

first,there are very few deer left here in WMU2G.
now, you have kids along ,lets use crew for example.
its raining at about 4 pm,kids have not seen deer all day,now out walks a spike buck to adult..

you think he is going to let that buck walk?no way!

remember,you are trying to keep kids interested..

isnt it funny out of 15 hunters in crew,4 are kids for example and guess who gets the 4 bucks for that day.
is it just luck that those 4 buck came out to those 4 kids?

i had reports of adults shooting at spike bucks, this was reported by many at camps,they saw it last year.

these crews had kids with them too, when i say kid ,i mean under 16 years old.

did you know some even carry hacksaws so they can cut horns off deer to make it look like doe?

this was reported also to PGC.this was seen by hunter who reported it and kids were standing there watching it as horns were sawed off.

what are they learning.

you cant leave loop hole open like this and expect it to work, it wont.

like 7 year old girl here that got a nice big buck.
she was asked what she used to shoot buck, she said a WEE-0-8,right.....

is this widespread,YOU BET IT IS only because of 3 things,keeping kids interested and lack of deer and filling tags..

if there were lots of bucks, it could work but most are not going to let the few buck walk with kids to keep interested hunting....

the only way to stop this maddness is to only allow a kid to shoot a buck under 3 points,his or her first year at 12 yrs old.

as for mentoured program, let kid hunt with dad but no shooting until he/she is 12 yrs old.

to tell me a 7 yr old girl is using a WEE-0-8 to harvest a huge buck, you cant convince ole sproul..

another thing, how many of you are even SEEING these young kids out in woods at 7 yrs old?
i am not but i am hearing they are getting their buck.

if adults woud play by rules,i would be first to push this program and stand behind it.

heck,we have 5 kids we take out each year, none, i repat none got a buck this year..
4 of us saw 3 small buck but did not shoot them..

then in came crew 2 days later with kids, i believe they had around 4 kids..

isnt it funny thatcrew got all 3 of those small buck,must be kids were in right place at right time..

could happen but i am not convinced...

another thing,the doe season should not be mixed with buck season.
if person,adult or kid kills a buck and has doe tag, he will shoot any deer on next one,knowing that he has kids in crew that can tag it or adult that can tag it,so hunter may shoot 2 buck, maybe 3 buck, who knows.

having doe season seperate would reduce this ..

but remember, PGC/DCNR is out to reduce deer herds way down..

making these rules like they are ,its going to continue..

BTBowhunter

Are you saying that the average hunter does this? I dont think so. These guys are poachers and they are slimeballs. If your neighbor is doing it I hope you turned him in.

where?when? proof?

Where? when? proof? was it reported? to who?

Hacksaw marks would be pretty easy to detect.That'd be a prosecutors dream case. You say it was reported. to who? Was there a conviction?

Unless you have proof that this kid didnt shoot the deer, and I'm betting you don't, you just committed one of the lowest of the lows... accusing a kid of helping to break the law when you dont have the proof. Provide the proof and details and I'll apologize for my assumption


Just shows that you really dont care if we get kids involved. This program has been a terrific success so far, that is, if you care about the kids.


You just made my major point! You are posting these wild stories based on what you "heard" I know from your other posts that you are a fellow thats a bit long in the tooth. By now, I'd think you'dhave learnedthat 90% of these stories are told and retold in the local taverns and embellished over and over by folks that've had a few too many! Go into any bar in big woods country around hunting season and you'll hear lots of sensational stories about all kinds of terible things being done in our deer woods. In the 40 years I've been hunting the big woods, I've never found a lack of these stories but there's always a lack of real details and proof. Of course the tale teller will swear on his mothers eyes that he knows it's true.

Again you makeanother point for me.We shouldn'tpenalize the kids because some adult may, and I repeat MAY, abuse a rule.

Would it be OK if the government took your guns because bad guys break the law with them? NO!! You'd say go get the bad guys and leave my guns alone! Well, I'm saying go get the slimeballs that you say are just average hunters and leave the kids alone!

sproulman

on your pol, last one is not something i am hearing and i drink and play cards at social club and sportsman club..

not 1 senior ever was jealous of kids restrictions.
what they are mad about is the adults with kids shooting the small bucks.
so, that poll may be people who like the kids restriction, hey, its great for ones with kids, great way to fill tags and get meat even if adult shoots buck.

add in others who feel its happening, you have 79% believe it is and i bet most know it is and are mad too.

all we are after is we want KIDS too shoot bucks ,that is not happening.

only way to make it happen is to do away with restriction and 3 ponts to side for all of us.kids included.

then let kids ONLY, shoot a doe, no adult can kill doe in wmu2g.

sproulman

sure all known things seen were reported.
i alsohad poachers reported 2 years ago and had robo buck set-up .
the PGC did catch 1 day a yearROAD HUNTERS but not poachers.they were home in bed.

so, you see i DO call the PGC if i have proof and even call them if i hear something happened that i heard.

when you dont see mentoured kids in woods, yet you hear they got a big buckor killed a big buck in the week of early doe archery/muzzloader season.

hey ,i am out there almost everyday in archery, dont tell me a kid can come out, pull up bow and get a 12 point buck.

i was kid once with lots of deer,hunted all timeand today, IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN.

i noticed you did not get you nice buck untilend of season, maybe you are not as good as hunter as some kids i know that get theres on stateforestland..

maybe you need to get off privateland and have a kid show you how.


again, i am not after the fathers that make their kids shoot their bucks and go by rules, its majority of others that are not playing by rules and they are ones that are ruining what could be a great thing.
face it, todays world,you dont get ahead by going by any rule.

make it 3 points for ALL,let kid shoot DOE ,no adults in WMU2G.
this wouldreduce the brown its down crowd and make kid into a better hunter and able to harvest a nice mature buck and doe..

it wont happen because i think most want it to stay way it is even tho 79% of your poll feel that its not working.

i was very surprised that most feel same way as me on poll and i thank you all for being honest.

as for 7 that said that old farts are complaining or jealous,i am not hearing that at all.
all they are mad at is they want kid to shoot the small buck,NOT the adults.

BTBowhunter

Uh, read it again. 61% feel it's NOT a problem

Gundeck

I am sure it goes on more than most people think, but I am not sure it is a "widespread problem". I am kinda glad I don't hunt PA anymore.

germain

Sure there's problems and in my opinion adults who use a kid's tag are SLOBS.
Looking at the two smiling faces of the tykes on the first page tells me the current regs are worth it.

sproulman

here is 3 problem areas so they can be defined.
1.adult shooting buck for mentoured.
2.adult using a kids tag.
3.adults driving deer and shooting BROWN ITS DOWN with kids in crew using portable radios to call for kid to tag.

even a wco on another site stated,I HEARD THEM CALLING FOR TAGS..
he stated that and is WCO in WMU2G..

these are 3 areas that i feel is happening .

we had pheasant shoot for the kids this year.
never again will we do it.
i bought the pheasants too..
adults took guns out of kids hands and shot the pheasants because the kidscould not hit them and they did not want to go home without a bird to show mom.

what did kids learn there.

remember, no bird , mom says,DAD YOU ARE NOT GOING HUNTING....sad, isnt it.

BTBowhunter

What's sad is a crazy, bitter old man who insists on penalizing all kids because a few adults don't play by the rules

Keep your pheasants. It's probably best to keep the kids away from your gang anyway. there are plenty of REAL sportsmen out there to conduct the youth hunts.