"PA deer mismanagement"
#61
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
My question is? Who are they goanna cry to when the deer population gets out of hands in the future? People will leave this sport and not care for it any more. Who is goanna control the deer herds in the future in Pa? They goanna cry to the hunters to come back who they turned their backs on and quit. I don't think it will work. Is the forest industry goanna make up the difference in lost sales to the PGC from the loss of hunters? Not a chance. The PGC are goanna be out of a job or working for the forestry. No matter what, The PGC has managed to put a hurtin on the deer and their revenue for them to stay a float. As was mentioned before and something to think about. Why couldn't they have the AR program along with a large deer population? This alone should make you question who they are working for other than the hunters. Deer have survived quite well in huge numbers before man started to play with mother nature. I bet I could take one deer and cage it in on a 1 acre wooded lot withfew oak trees and some small saplingsthe rest pine with some vegitation and not feed that deer and it will not die. Any bets on this. Yet they only want how many deer per square miles? And I got one caged up living on one acre without human help surviving just fine. Time for another new excuse. It does sound like why the invasion of Iraq. So many excuses except for the real reason why. The mighty $$$. This is how I see the management being worked for. The mighty $$$
#62
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
ORIGINAL: sproulman
DOUGE,i did not see many deer here on publicland this fall hunting small game..if i know there is 3 deer left in area, i could kill all 3 ,rest assured of that..
i am not that type of hunter..
1 deer is enough..and for long time it has to be buck..no doe..
douge, no disrespect like you give me,but killing 5 deer like you did is something i would not be proud of..i certainly would not tell anyone..
how about passing on doe next year so we all can enjoy hunting in future..
DOUGE,i did not see many deer here on publicland this fall hunting small game..if i know there is 3 deer left in area, i could kill all 3 ,rest assured of that..
i am not that type of hunter..
1 deer is enough..and for long time it has to be buck..no doe..
douge, no disrespect like you give me,but killing 5 deer like you did is something i would not be proud of..i certainly would not tell anyone..
how about passing on doe next year so we all can enjoy hunting in future..
#63
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
I'll take your bet.That deer will be dead the first year of a failed mast crop,probably before that.
I put two horses in about a half acre pasture last August,that was full of clover.Within 3 weeks,every single bit of it was grazed down to the dirt.Deer have thesame effect on the habitat.
The reason we can't have a huge herd with antler restrictions is becausea huge herd will destroy the habitat like it has accross the northern tier.I can't get over the denial so many hunters have.
I put two horses in about a half acre pasture last August,that was full of clover.Within 3 weeks,every single bit of it was grazed down to the dirt.Deer have thesame effect on the habitat.
The reason we can't have a huge herd with antler restrictions is becausea huge herd will destroy the habitat like it has accross the northern tier.I can't get over the denial so many hunters have.
#64
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
ORIGINAL: DougE
I'll take your bet.That deer will be dead the first year of a failed mast crop,probably before that.
I put two horses in about a half acre pasture last August,that was full of clover.Within 3 weeks,every single bit of it was grazed down to the dirt.Deer have thesame effect on the habitat.
The reason we can't have a huge herd with antler restrictions is becausea huge herd will destroy the habitat like it has accross the northern tier.I can't get over the denial so many hunters have.
I'll take your bet.That deer will be dead the first year of a failed mast crop,probably before that.
I put two horses in about a half acre pasture last August,that was full of clover.Within 3 weeks,every single bit of it was grazed down to the dirt.Deer have thesame effect on the habitat.
The reason we can't have a huge herd with antler restrictions is becausea huge herd will destroy the habitat like it has accross the northern tier.I can't get over the denial so many hunters have.
If that is the case abouthabitat then why haven't the deer died off in previous years from starvation before the AR program. That is a crock of sh excuseI have ever heard with history to back my statement. The deer are actually smaller in sizenow then before the AR program all so. Explain this if the habitat was so bad? Many hunters can agree with this all so.
#65
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
Your just about maybe 5% maybe if that who will pass on a doe or fawn.
#66
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
ORIGINAL: TRYKONOISSEUR
Count me in this number! Killing does and fawns won't happen by my hand atleast until I see with my own eyes that numbers are increasing.
Your just about maybe 5% maybe if that who will pass on a doe or fawn.
#67
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 1,149
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
ORIGINAL: DougE
Rich,you have to kill over 30% of the doe each year just to keep it stable.When hunters are only killing 8%(the amount killed last year)or lower of the collared doe,it's reasonable to conclude that the hunters aren't the ones reducing the herd.
Rich,you have to kill over 30% of the doe each year just to keep it stable.When hunters are only killing 8%(the amount killed last year)or lower of the collared doe,it's reasonable to conclude that the hunters aren't the ones reducing the herd.
Seriously,deerfly answered part of my question but I'm thinking deer populations,habitat,predators,and fawn survival would throw the 30% in either direction.Also you would think winters would have an affect.Am I wrong here or can the 30% be a good bit more or less with those factors?
Doug,deerfly,anybody?
#68
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
I notice that the naysayers have no, none, nada, zip, zero, answers as to how it is that such a low percentage of tagged and collared doe are being harvested by hunters in an area where hunting pressure is supposed to be the culprit in the declining numbers.
One year could have been a fluke but two years shows a pattern developing. It obviously aint the doe tags or the hunting pressure that's responsible here!
One year could have been a fluke but two years shows a pattern developing. It obviously aint the doe tags or the hunting pressure that's responsible here!
#69
RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
I think that if everyone did shoot every deer they seen,It would speed up the no doe hunting or the start of limiting the sales of doe tags in larger numbers than the past. I could be wrong. But I think the ones who let the deer walk are the ones prolonging this antlerless restrictions being brought on to us