"PA deer mismanagement"
#141
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
Doug,don't you think the populations increased a good bit the last 10 years?Using the tracks,scat,sightings,and hearing them it's safe to say we saw a good increase up to about two years ago.
On a sidenote,going back about six years ago at the spot where I'd kill a turkey every year,I saw a blond coyote chasing a deer over by parker dam.That thing was beautiful.
On a sidenote,going back about six years ago at the spot where I'd kill a turkey every year,I saw a blond coyote chasing a deer over by parker dam.That thing was beautiful.
#143
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
I agree with liv about the predation.
Man liv I just couldn't shoot such a beautiful animal.
Ok,I lied.If I would have been packin a rifle I would have been packin him right to the taxadermy.
Man liv I just couldn't shoot such a beautiful animal.
Ok,I lied.If I would have been packin a rifle I would have been packin him right to the taxadermy.
#144
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
We shoot at all yotes we see in my family. Too bad we miss most yotes we shoot at.
They never quit running. If you see one, make a squeal/squeek sound with your lips while centering the crosshairs on it. As soon as it hears the sound it will stop dead for a moment. That's when you go "bang, your dead"
They never quit running. If you see one, make a squeal/squeek sound with your lips while centering the crosshairs on it. As soon as it hears the sound it will stop dead for a moment. That's when you go "bang, your dead"
#145
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
.Right off the top of my head I never saw one with a rifle in my hand.Most were during spring gobbler and a few in archery where they were too far off.But if anybody in our camp gets a shot at one he's gone down.
#146
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
Show me where anyone ever one that contest with a 20lb coyote.Most of the time,they're in the 40lb range.I've seen a bunch of dead coyotes and none of them ever weighed over 40 lbs.They get a little bigger on occasion but that isn't very common.
Predation is a factor a factor in the Sproul because the habitat is poor.The fawns are not as healthy and there's less cover for them to hide.Go read the fawn study journal.Eight four percent of the predation occured in the Quehanna wild area where the habitat was much worse.It all comes back to habitat.
If you think deer didn't die in those areas during the winters of 2003 and 2004 your sadly mistaken.I found several dead deer that died from malnutrician in the spring of 2004.I wasn't alone either.There were biologists and foresters from PSU with me.It isn't even thse dead deer that make the differance.It's the reduced recruitment rate.Malnurished does don't give birth to healthy fawns,if they give birth at all.On top of that,only 10 %of female fawns in 2G are being bred.That's directly related to their health,which is directly tied to the habitat.You'll simply have more and healthier deer in better habitat,regardless of the predators
Predation is a factor a factor in the Sproul because the habitat is poor.The fawns are not as healthy and there's less cover for them to hide.Go read the fawn study journal.Eight four percent of the predation occured in the Quehanna wild area where the habitat was much worse.It all comes back to habitat.
If you think deer didn't die in those areas during the winters of 2003 and 2004 your sadly mistaken.I found several dead deer that died from malnutrician in the spring of 2004.I wasn't alone either.There were biologists and foresters from PSU with me.It isn't even thse dead deer that make the differance.It's the reduced recruitment rate.Malnurished does don't give birth to healthy fawns,if they give birth at all.On top of that,only 10 %of female fawns in 2G are being bred.That's directly related to their health,which is directly tied to the habitat.You'll simply have more and healthier deer in better habitat,regardless of the predators
#147
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
Doug,one year the predator kill was up in Quehanna and the other year the fawn kill was close to that of the farmland.That area does have cover with alot of laurel in places.Up on the wild area there's alot of what I call elephant grass.
If what you're saying is true why were the deer numbers so high for so many years in wide open woods?
If what you're saying is true why were the deer numbers so high for so many years in wide open woods?
#148
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
Because we've had mostly mild winters throughout the 80's and 90's.Even though there were alot more deer than we see now,the population still wasn't increasing.Ask Sproul,the population has been downfor over 20 years and still didn't increase,even after clearcutting.When you have a mild winter,the deer can find acorns and even eat certain types of fallen leaves without expending too much energy.We had two back to back brutalwinters in 2003 and 2004 with very poor mast crops.The deer had nothing to eat and recruitment suffered greatly.That on top of having a smaller herd due to herd reductions caused us to have alot less deer.A couple mild winters with decent mast crops has been bringing the herd right back.That's good in a way but we can't afford to let it grow too fast until the habitat starts to recover.We need to get together one of these weekends.
#149
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
I had your number on my old cell but when I put the chip in the new one I lost it.Can you give it to me on the other site via PM?
We were planning on coming up this weekend to hunt grouse but that's doubtful now because my son's baby is sick.
I'll give you a call when we find out what weekend for sure and we'll see if we can get together and miss some grouse.
We were planning on coming up this weekend to hunt grouse but that's doubtful now because my son's baby is sick.
I'll give you a call when we find out what weekend for sure and we'll see if we can get together and miss some grouse.
#150
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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RE: "PA deer mismanagement"
ORIGINAL: DougE
Well,this is the 16th year of the mosquito creek coyote hunt.They started having the hunt because a farmer was having problems with the predation of his sheep around Frenchville.That isn't too far from westernClinton county andI doubt they had a hunt the first year the coyotes appeared.They've been around for a long time and they aren't getting any bigger.Look at the results from their hunt.The biggest coyote is usually somewhere in the 40+lb range.
Well,this is the 16th year of the mosquito creek coyote hunt.They started having the hunt because a farmer was having problems with the predation of his sheep around Frenchville.That isn't too far from westernClinton county andI doubt they had a hunt the first year the coyotes appeared.They've been around for a long time and they aren't getting any bigger.Look at the results from their hunt.The biggest coyote is usually somewhere in the 40+lb range.
i cant get figures, if you like, its real low..
as for big size, would you like to talk to greatest coyote trapper, not me, i am good but nothing like him..
he lives in cross forks and is BEST around..he got one 67 pds..a MALE..i am going out to see him soon and i will ask him how long have yotes been around and when he saw them ALL OF SUDDEN in that 1 year or 2..
my other friends got one this year, it was 47 at camp weighted on 2 scales..