PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
09-05-2006, 01:30 PM
#81
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
If the funding were there to fill all of the vacant Food and Cover Crew positions there would probably be even more grouse habitat cuts, but it does take manpower to get the work done
09-05-2006, 02:07 PM
#83
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
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Where exactly can a listing of which Game Lands recieving this type of managing be found?
Where exactly can a listing of which Game Lands recieving this type of managing be found?
Dick Bodenhorn
09-05-2006, 02:16 PM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
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What about volunteer programs? Are there any? Hunters Helping Habitat or something to that effect?
If the funding were there to fill all of the vacant Food and Cover Crew positions there would probably be even more grouse habitat cuts, but it does take manpower to get the work done
We have a little bit of interest, from one or two Sportsmen Clubs, in winter browse cutting to benefit deer but not much local interest in creating grouse habitat. Of course even those deer browse cuts also benefit the grouse populations.
Incidentally this is possibly the best grouse brood year I have even seen, so it should be great hunting this year.
Dick Bodenhorn
09-05-2006, 04:14 PM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
Yes, we do use volunteers for habitat projects on the game lands, but it is very difficult finding people willing to volunteer for such work. That type of work requires a good bit of manual labor as well as the saws, equipment and experience in their useneeded for establishing the cuts.
We have a little bit of interest, from one or two Sportsmen Clubs, in winter browse cutting to benefit deer but not much local interest in creating grouse habitat. Of course even those deer browse cuts also benefit the grouse populations.
We have a little bit of interest, from one or two Sportsmen Clubs, in winter browse cutting to benefit deer but not much local interest in creating grouse habitat. Of course even those deer browse cuts also benefit the grouse populations.
Kinda sums it all up. Hunters want the benefits, but don't want to help make things better. That's why I say we are a bunch of lazy whiners for the most part in Pa. Too many folks running at the mouth, but when it comes to lending a hand or donating funds they scatter.
09-05-2006, 08:54 PM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
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Sproul, don't you see, that attitude is what led to the messed up herd PA had, and further to the herd restrictions. Instead of worrying about getting a buck you can "brag about", hunters should be worried about keeping the herd healthy and balanced, which is what the states ask us to do. That old time PA thing about "getting my buck", even if its a little spike, has to stop. I personally would be much prouder to shoot an old doe with my bow, than to to shoot a 6 inch spike. But my father raised me to be a DEER hunter, not a buck hunter. Now I am not condoning or condemning the PGC, I am just saying you need to start listening to biologists when they tell you what is good for the deer hers, not old timers who tell you "ya gotta shoot the first spike you see so you can brag to your friends about it".
then pgc wants to have kid grow up to be a doe hunter not buck hunter.our fathers raised us as BUCK HUNTERS.it was a kid growing into man thing.you only killed a old doe if too many were in your hunting area. never small doe or fawn.our dads instilled that in us.
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
not everyone,try.do to lack of game,its hard to get hunters to donate to anything.sportsmen club here lost over 1,000 members,but may make it up with bird watchers and hikers and canoers, not hunters. things are changing.this is why i feel our gun rights will be in trouble soon with all this doe killing. hunters are giving it up. slowly other groups are moving in. they just named our sportsmen club a new name. its called NATURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CLUB. i hope we can all see what is happening. when the new sport, TOURISM AND PA WILDS gets moving,i fear our hunting rights will be RESTRICTED. these people DONT like us running around with guns.you should see look you get when you are walking on a hiking trail with a pistol.you thinkhikers are going to let you carry pistol while they are hiking with family, NO WAY!!.folks, when hunter numbers go down do to age, lack of game,kids that are not interested,then you can bet your life, guns will be a thing that will be shuned in woods.i see it and i think i will still be around to say, I TOLD YOU SO.
09-06-2006, 05:03 AM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
Not everybody try.
09-06-2006, 05:24 AM
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RE: PGC MONKEY BUSINESS
"RSB" I intend to contact the land manager in WMU 3B for info on grouse projects on Game Lands #12 & #36 (Total of some 42,ooo acres) , but I'm curious as to what amount of acerage the parcels that have recieved this treatment on Game Lands in your sector have been? Do thay exceed 1000 acres, 2000 acres or what is the average size acerage?