Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
02-23-2006, 07:49 PM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
Yeh I agree for sure on the fawns, I have yotes galore where I'm at in Clearfield, however IMO I know most times these predators will not attack humans, but at the same time these two predators have been known to attack. I would bet if they're around, it wouldn't be long till a jogger or somonegets it. You know, wouldn't want to scare touristout in the PA Wilds!!!!
02-23-2006, 08:00 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
i truly believe without any evidence that no attacks will happen but you have heard of a rabied fox getting wierd.my concern is those little fawns i see being killed by coyotes.penn state made study and said that the bears were killing most of fawns. thats not what i am seeing but they did the study. i believe that coyotes are killing most of fawns. i saw it many times at kettle creek park. i saw 2 fawnskilled in one afternoon at spillway at dam. sound was awful. 2 coyotes circled and killed BOTH FAWNS. there was 25 witnesses to this at the overlook at dam.
02-23-2006, 09:35 PM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
As long as there are plenty of deer to eat, human attacks will be rare. When all the predators eat all the deer, and start to starve out, look out.
Canines get very bold when they are starving to death. Whywere they hunted to extinction with bounties and such? They are dangerous and can't be trusted. Don't believe that crap on TV that shows tame wolf packs with human characteristics and the narrator in the background referring to them by cutiepet names.
Canines get very bold when they are starving to death. Whywere they hunted to extinction with bounties and such? They are dangerous and can't be trusted. Don't believe that crap on TV that shows tame wolf packs with human characteristics and the narrator in the background referring to them by cutiepet names.
02-23-2006, 09:50 PM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
time will tell.its strange in a way. wolves show up and PGC says they were released and want to know who did it.i have been saying this all along on coyotes here in pa. i agree,they have been released too. now, question is,who is releasing the coyotes?is PGC going to fnd out who released the coyotes?are they going to ask for info on who did it?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
02-24-2006, 04:47 AM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
ORIGINAL: sproulman
youre right. all coyotes we have here and nothing is done by the PGC .if they were interested in saving deer they would be out trying to kill off these coyotes.lets face it, they want deer dead and they are letting it happen.coyotes are really taking toll on the fawns.
youre right. all coyotes we have here and nothing is done by the PGC .if they were interested in saving deer they would be out trying to kill off these coyotes.lets face it, they want deer dead and they are letting it happen.coyotes are really taking toll on the fawns.
And where do you get the idea that the PGC is releasing coyotes? Don't blow your credibility all at once.
02-24-2006, 04:49 AM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
"Game Commission policy requires proposed species reintroductions to be appropriate and feasible," said Calvin W. DuBrock, Game Commission Bureau of Wildlife Management director. "We believe that any reintroduction program involving wolves or other large predators would be impractical and inappropriate given the population distribution and density of people in our state. We do not believe that there are any areas remote enough in our state where large predators could be reintroduced without setting up a conflict situation for people or other wildlife valued by people."
02-24-2006, 06:49 AM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
From what I have read and from the results of the release of wolves in Idaho I would be more excepting of mt lions becoming more established in the area than I would having wolves.
Tell me if I am wrong, but Idaho just resently turned over the management of the wolves in their state to the state game commision and may possibly open a season on them. Now how many years has it been since they reintroduced them in the state of Idaho - I am thinking like 5 - 6 years. Seems like if the population took off that quickly that they are now considering a hunting season on wolves they are much like coyotes and we all know how fast the population of coyotes in both NY and PA has grow since the population really took hold.
Now with Mt. lions in the west. There are the occasional animal/human mishaps but the majority of those have occures due to humans expanding their territory into the mt lions territory not vice versa. I am more inclinde to think that lions would be more likely to stay out of the way if they are given the choice, while wolves and coyotes are going to go where the food is regardless - at least that is what I have noticed with the coyotes I have in my area.
Tell me if I am wrong, but Idaho just resently turned over the management of the wolves in their state to the state game commision and may possibly open a season on them. Now how many years has it been since they reintroduced them in the state of Idaho - I am thinking like 5 - 6 years. Seems like if the population took off that quickly that they are now considering a hunting season on wolves they are much like coyotes and we all know how fast the population of coyotes in both NY and PA has grow since the population really took hold.
Now with Mt. lions in the west. There are the occasional animal/human mishaps but the majority of those have occures due to humans expanding their territory into the mt lions territory not vice versa. I am more inclinde to think that lions would be more likely to stay out of the way if they are given the choice, while wolves and coyotes are going to go where the food is regardless - at least that is what I have noticed with the coyotes I have in my area.
02-24-2006, 07:12 AM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
patrkhntr,That won't be good enough for some people.It just kills me that some people blame the PGC for not doing enough to decrease the coyote population.They've had the most liberal season of any species for decades and now they're allowing bait.If the PGC stocked them,why would they want to hurt their investment by having such liberal seasons?These conspiracy theories are too much.
02-24-2006, 10:11 AM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
ORIGINAL: jhoffman
From what I have read and from the results of the release of wolves in Idaho I would be more excepting of mt lions becoming more established in the area than I would having wolves.
Tell me if I am wrong, but Idaho just resently turned over the management of the wolves in their state to the state game commision and may possibly open a season on them. Now how many years has it been since they reintroduced them in the state of Idaho - I am thinking like 5 - 6 years. Seems like if the population took off that quickly that they are now considering a hunting season on wolves they are much like coyotes and we all know how fast the population of coyotes in both NY and PA has grow since the population really took hold.
Now with Mt. lions in the west. There are the occasional animal/human mishaps but the majority of those have occures due to humans expanding their territory into the mt lions territory not vice versa. I am more inclinde to think that lions would be more likely to stay out of the way if they are given the choice, while wolves and coyotes are going to go where the food is regardless - at least that is what I have noticed with the coyotes I have in my area.
From what I have read and from the results of the release of wolves in Idaho I would be more excepting of mt lions becoming more established in the area than I would having wolves.
Tell me if I am wrong, but Idaho just resently turned over the management of the wolves in their state to the state game commision and may possibly open a season on them. Now how many years has it been since they reintroduced them in the state of Idaho - I am thinking like 5 - 6 years. Seems like if the population took off that quickly that they are now considering a hunting season on wolves they are much like coyotes and we all know how fast the population of coyotes in both NY and PA has grow since the population really took hold.
Now with Mt. lions in the west. There are the occasional animal/human mishaps but the majority of those have occures due to humans expanding their territory into the mt lions territory not vice versa. I am more inclinde to think that lions would be more likely to stay out of the way if they are given the choice, while wolves and coyotes are going to go where the food is regardless - at least that is what I have noticed with the coyotes I have in my area.
As for cougars staying away from humans, for the most part yes. BUT every year, some are spotted here in town. The most dangerous is a juvenile male searching for his own territory. Just ask the cyclists in California, or wait a minute, they can't talk any more!!!!!
02-24-2006, 01:02 PM
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RE: Cougars in PA....Why Not Wolves!!!!
The second wolf has be captured:
GAME COMMISSION ANNOUNCES THAT SECOND "WOLF"
CONTAINED BY OWNER IN ADAMS COUNTY CASE
HARRISBURG - Information provided by a confidential informant helped Pennsylvania Game Commission officials today locate the second of two animals that are suspected of being either gray or timber wolves or wolf-hybrids, and the animal has been contained by its owner. Game Commission Wildlife Conservation Officer (WCO) Darren David is continuing with an investigation, and will not be releasing further information until the investigation is complete.
According to WCO David's investigation, on Feb. 19, an individual shot one of two animals believed to be wolves or wolf-hybrids after it displayed aggressive actions. After killing the animal, the individual contacted the Game Commission Southcentral Region Office and turned over the carcass to officers.
"We are going to have the carcass examined and tested to verify whether this is a pure-bred wolf or some hybrid," David said. "However, given public concern about the second animal's whereabouts, we wanted to let the public know that the animal has been contained."
Further announcements will be made when the results of the tests and investigation are finalized.
GAME COMMISSION ANNOUNCES THAT SECOND "WOLF"
CONTAINED BY OWNER IN ADAMS COUNTY CASE
HARRISBURG - Information provided by a confidential informant helped Pennsylvania Game Commission officials today locate the second of two animals that are suspected of being either gray or timber wolves or wolf-hybrids, and the animal has been contained by its owner. Game Commission Wildlife Conservation Officer (WCO) Darren David is continuing with an investigation, and will not be releasing further information until the investigation is complete.
According to WCO David's investigation, on Feb. 19, an individual shot one of two animals believed to be wolves or wolf-hybrids after it displayed aggressive actions. After killing the animal, the individual contacted the Game Commission Southcentral Region Office and turned over the carcass to officers.
"We are going to have the carcass examined and tested to verify whether this is a pure-bred wolf or some hybrid," David said. "However, given public concern about the second animal's whereabouts, we wanted to let the public know that the animal has been contained."
Further announcements will be made when the results of the tests and investigation are finalized.