NY Blaze Orange Bill
#91
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
I understand many feel too many laws limit our rights, and freedoms. Some I agree do, and some are not necessary, and only become a burden in society. But this Bill I feel is very important for all of us, becasue it is about our safety. I don't know if there's any numbers out there on how many do or don't wear orange in the woods. But wearing camo only is still quite popular in the northern tier. Like I said before I see it every year. I don't so much where I hunt in the southern zone now. My darn father in law still insists on not wearing any orange to this day, and he huntsboth zones. I've begged him to please least put on a hat, so I know where you are. NOPE! The law would force him too, and I'd say about time!
The bill reads 21 of 22 fatalities from 89-90 weren't wearing any orange. Ok that was 15yrs ago, but do you feel those odds have changed any from camo hunters to Orange hunters. Yes the accidents have lowered, but I'm sure the odds are the same. Of accidents occurred 90% were fatal to those not wearing orange. Of all hunter related accidents 64% weren't wearing Orange. As of 1991 40 states require Orange, why is NY always so behind.
Ok so let me ask some of you this. You feel itseveryones right of choice to wear orange or not. But you advocate to others to wear it. Does that make any sense? So what do you think of the hunter that still sticks to camo only, becasue it is his right? Like what, hey its his own fault if he gets shot?? Do you guys not ever worry when in the woods about not seeing that guy in camo, or not accidentally shooting him? I don't want this bill for my very own safety from injury. I want this bill so I know where your at every minute I'm in the woods. I don't want to accidentally shoot that camo guy that I didn't see, becasue he was so well concealed I never knew he was there. Even when I've identified my target 100%. What happens to that bullet after my shot I can't control. The last thing I want to do is shoot in the direction of some hunter that doesn't want to be seen. I don't want to go through the misery, arrests, lawsuits, court dates if I accidentally shot a guy, becasue he felt it was his right to wear camo. If that happens its my fault 100% right now not his. If this bill becomes a law at least it'd be part his fault for breaking it, and the penalties can be less to me. Obviously I hope this never happens, and I've been lucky enough to identify camo hunters, but as long as its a hunters right to wear camo the risk is greater for all of us.
The bill reads 21 of 22 fatalities from 89-90 weren't wearing any orange. Ok that was 15yrs ago, but do you feel those odds have changed any from camo hunters to Orange hunters. Yes the accidents have lowered, but I'm sure the odds are the same. Of accidents occurred 90% were fatal to those not wearing orange. Of all hunter related accidents 64% weren't wearing Orange. As of 1991 40 states require Orange, why is NY always so behind.
Ok so let me ask some of you this. You feel itseveryones right of choice to wear orange or not. But you advocate to others to wear it. Does that make any sense? So what do you think of the hunter that still sticks to camo only, becasue it is his right? Like what, hey its his own fault if he gets shot?? Do you guys not ever worry when in the woods about not seeing that guy in camo, or not accidentally shooting him? I don't want this bill for my very own safety from injury. I want this bill so I know where your at every minute I'm in the woods. I don't want to accidentally shoot that camo guy that I didn't see, becasue he was so well concealed I never knew he was there. Even when I've identified my target 100%. What happens to that bullet after my shot I can't control. The last thing I want to do is shoot in the direction of some hunter that doesn't want to be seen. I don't want to go through the misery, arrests, lawsuits, court dates if I accidentally shot a guy, becasue he felt it was his right to wear camo. If that happens its my fault 100% right now not his. If this bill becomes a law at least it'd be part his fault for breaking it, and the penalties can be less to me. Obviously I hope this never happens, and I've been lucky enough to identify camo hunters, but as long as its a hunters right to wear camo the risk is greater for all of us.
#92
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 2,435
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
Do you guys not ever worry when in the woods about not seeing that guy in camo, or not accidentally shooting him?
You feel itseveryones right of choice to wear orange or not. But you advocate to others to wear it. Does that make any sense?
Here's just a few...
- must wear safety belt in tree stand
- must unload gun when crossing fence
- must take hunter safety course yearly
- must have eye examination yearly
- must pull gun up into tree stand with a rope
- if overweight not allowed to drag a deer (this one would probably save a lot more lives than bo)
- if overweight must regularly attendweight loss program or hunting licence is invalidated.
...without much effort it would be easy to generate dozens more.
Arguably, all of these ideas would save a few lives. When do we say enough is enough? I think we're already there! Sooner or later somebody is going to come up with the idea that we can save a few more lives if we just ban hunting altogether. We'll hire professionals to kill off the deer andeliminate these irrresponsible hunters.
#93
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
I agree if you can`t tell a hunter dressed in camo VS a Deer than you don`t need to be in the woods. I`d think the shooting accedents aren`t b/c the hunter doesn`t have orange on but b/c someone shot at movement. [&o]
#94
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
Sylvan said:
Now if you're talking about shooting at a deer and then hitting a man in camo you didn't see in the distance I don't think this is even worth considering. This kind of accidentis EXTREMELY rare and I doubt bo would make much a difference anyway.
Now if you're talking about shooting at a deer and then hitting a man in camo you didn't see in the distance I don't think this is even worth considering. This kind of accidentis EXTREMELY rare and I doubt bo would make much a difference anyway.
State Police investigation in hunting accident
(Milan, NY - AP) — State police say they may never know which member of a hunting party fired the shot that killed a 22-year-old man in the Hudson Valley.
Coleman Hagadorn of Rhinebeck, son of a retired state trooper, died December 10th after being hit with a shotgun round in Milan in northern Dutchess County.
State Police Captain William Carey tells the Kingston Freeman the investigation shows the shot was fired by one of two hunters in Hagadorn's six-member party, and authorities may never know for sure which one.
Carey says that unlike other firearms, shotguns have smooth barrels that leave no identifying markings on the rounds. Investigators are treating the death as a hunting accident.
Carey says alcohol was not a factor. He says the hunting party separated, apparently all the hunters couldn't see each other, and two members fired two rounds apiece at a deer. One round struck Hagadorn.
(Milan, NY - AP) — State police say they may never know which member of a hunting party fired the shot that killed a 22-year-old man in the Hudson Valley.
Coleman Hagadorn of Rhinebeck, son of a retired state trooper, died December 10th after being hit with a shotgun round in Milan in northern Dutchess County.
State Police Captain William Carey tells the Kingston Freeman the investigation shows the shot was fired by one of two hunters in Hagadorn's six-member party, and authorities may never know for sure which one.
Carey says that unlike other firearms, shotguns have smooth barrels that leave no identifying markings on the rounds. Investigators are treating the death as a hunting accident.
Carey says alcohol was not a factor. He says the hunting party separated, apparently all the hunters couldn't see each other, and two members fired two rounds apiece at a deer. One round struck Hagadorn.
I should also point out I am against the requiring hunter orange, however I think the original statement "it isn't worth considering" was simply ignoring fact....
#95
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 2,435
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
...however I think the original statement "it isn't worth considering" was simply ignoring fact....
#96
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
I'd like to weigh in and stand with the views of NY Orange. I personally wear BO in the field, usually a vest and hat. I don't want to see it become law by any means. The compliance rate is so close to 100% already, and I don't believe the holdouts are going to go shopping for BO any time soon. I agree that there should be extra caution when you are getting ready for the shot. There are times that we are as certain as humanly possible that the shot is clear, but something goes wrong. I got slugs dropped on me this year by another hunter that was hunting the farm I was on. I can't blame him 100 % for it. I had a hard time beleiving that it was happening. He was over 400 yards away shooting across a cut cornfield that drops in elevation probaly 50-75 feet in that distance. I could clearly see the deer he shot at, could see where the platform stand he was in, and could clearly hear the slugs coming through my tree. I would have never believed the slugs would go that far, but the proof is in the pudding. Also, as a person that has made a living working in the outdoors as both a logger and as a surveyor, I would like to see the state keep some question in the minds of hunters as to whether or not the "coast is clear". I feel that if hunter orange is mandated, the mentality of "if I don't see orange, its ok to shoot" will become more prevalent. I always wear BO in the woods during deer season, even for work. However, its not unheard of for people to come out to meet us on site that don't have BO. I would just like to see the laws keep everyone safe, not just the hunters. Like the main opinion here has been stated. I'm no fool, I wear BO when I hunt,and I don't need any help picking out my wardrobe.Keep up the good work gents...its attitudes that most of you have here that keep me feeling safe when I'm out doing what we love to do.
#99
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
Sorry guys I just don't agree. The majority of us are alreadly in compliance with this bill, so whats the big deal. It just seems to me although we all here agree orange is the by far safer to wear in the woods, and the majority of hunters wear it. Your all willing to accept that its ok for a hunter to wear camo in the woods whenever he wishes during gun season. Even though you wish everyone would wear orange you accept this hunters choice, and placing himself at greater risk without any responsibility for his decision to do so.
I've been trying to make it clear obviously we all know about identifying our target 100%. But theres no way we can ever be 100% positive of whats ahead of us that we cannot see. If the majority of hunters are alreadly wearing orange, can anybody here honestly say its not the first you look for when the sun rises, and your scanning the woods for hunters around you? Obviously we check every place we can see, but unless that hunter in camo moves you may notsee him.I don't care how rare shooting at a deer you've identified, and your bullet travels & hits a hunter in camo beyond your intended target type accident may be. Its still too much of a risk, and a risk that can be reduced by wearing orange.Are we saying we need camo hunters to be sure to identify our targets? How can anyone of us accept this risk if we can decrease it with a law.
I'm sorry guys but I never ever want to point my gun in the direction of another hunter thatI don't know is there, becasue he's wearing camo. If the bill reduces that chance even slightly I'm for it. If hunters still insist on not wearing orange in the woods to this day, and age. I feel its time they were forced too, it just might save their a**!!!
I've been trying to make it clear obviously we all know about identifying our target 100%. But theres no way we can ever be 100% positive of whats ahead of us that we cannot see. If the majority of hunters are alreadly wearing orange, can anybody here honestly say its not the first you look for when the sun rises, and your scanning the woods for hunters around you? Obviously we check every place we can see, but unless that hunter in camo moves you may notsee him.I don't care how rare shooting at a deer you've identified, and your bullet travels & hits a hunter in camo beyond your intended target type accident may be. Its still too much of a risk, and a risk that can be reduced by wearing orange.Are we saying we need camo hunters to be sure to identify our targets? How can anyone of us accept this risk if we can decrease it with a law.
I'm sorry guys but I never ever want to point my gun in the direction of another hunter thatI don't know is there, becasue he's wearing camo. If the bill reduces that chance even slightly I'm for it. If hunters still insist on not wearing orange in the woods to this day, and age. I feel its time they were forced too, it just might save their a**!!!
#100
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164
RE: NY Blaze Orange Bill
BA - these points made by rbh are very strong and should also be considered IMO.
Steve
Also, as a person that has made a living working in the outdoors as both a logger and as a surveyor, I would like to see the state keep some question in the minds of hunters as to whether or not the "coast is clear". I feel that if hunter orange is mandated, the mentality of "if I don't see orange, its ok to shoot" will become more prevalent. I always wear BO in the woods during deer season, even for work. However, its not unheard of for people to come out to meet us on site that don't have BO. I would just like to see the laws keep everyone safe, not just the hunters.