To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
10-15-2005, 12:31 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
Big John,
Once again...I can't understand any of your post...
If you are trying to show a table of rifled 12 ga trajectories here are two of them....
Remington Core Lokt Ultra..................Hornady SST
12ga rifled slugs
Muzzle.....-1.5............................................-.09
501.............8................................. .............2.4
100..........2.4.................................. .............2.7
150......... ...0.............................................. ...0
200.........-6.2.............................................-6.7
*for anyone following this thread, BigJohn had originally posted a ballistics table in his previous post. Unfortunatly he was not able to make it legible. He must have then gotten frustrated...he removed the table and edited it to read.."troll on". Obviously a very mature response! It will be intersting to see if it gets edited again. (the last edit wasat 1:28)
Once again...I can't understand any of your post...
If you are trying to show a table of rifled 12 ga trajectories here are two of them....
Remington Core Lokt Ultra..................Hornady SST
12ga rifled slugs
Muzzle.....-1.5............................................-.09
501.............8................................. .............2.4
100..........2.4.................................. .............2.7
150......... ...0.............................................. ...0
200.........-6.2.............................................-6.7
*for anyone following this thread, BigJohn had originally posted a ballistics table in his previous post. Unfortunatly he was not able to make it legible. He must have then gotten frustrated...he removed the table and edited it to read.."troll on". Obviously a very mature response! It will be intersting to see if it gets edited again. (the last edit wasat 1:28)
10-15-2005, 12:46 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
I had a problem with the table setup and all of the figures got jumbled up, it was and is point less to keep going there you will never make me believe your shot gun is safer than my 30-06 at any range and NO WHERE NEAR AS ACCURATE.
10-15-2005, 01:00 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
It is unfortunate that you can not have a factual debate concerning the subject matter without reverting to name calling and diversionary tactics.
However you are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of whether it is based on fact, or not.
Fortunately,other readers who have been following this post can nowclearly see the facts concerning the extended range and power of rifles laid out clearly in front of them.
However you are entitled to your opinion. Regardless of whether it is based on fact, or not.
Fortunately,other readers who have been following this post can nowclearly see the facts concerning the extended range and power of rifles laid out clearly in front of them.
10-15-2005, 02:08 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
I do not know what you are refering to "name calling"??? As far as facts go your 7" statement is ONLY if the shotgun is sighted in @ 150yds.
If you are trying to show a table of rifled 12 ga trajectories here are two of them....
Remington Core Lokt Ultra..................Hornady SST
12ga rifled slugs
Muzzle.....-1.5............................................-.09
501.............8................................. .............2.4
100..........2.4.................................. .............2.7
150......... ...0.............................................. ...0
200.........-6.2.............................................-6.7
If you are trying to show a table of rifled 12 ga trajectories here are two of them....
Remington Core Lokt Ultra..................Hornady SST
12ga rifled slugs
Muzzle.....-1.5............................................-.09
501.............8................................. .............2.4
100..........2.4.................................. .............2.7
150......... ...0.............................................. ...0
200.........-6.2.............................................-6.7
10-15-2005, 03:41 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
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I do not know what you are refering to "name calling"???
I do not know what you are refering to "name calling"???
As far as facts go your 7" statement is ONLY if the shotgun is sighted in @ 150yds.
What sight in distance would you prefer to use? 100yds? In that case the slug would be 9'' low at 200yds.
What relevance does thishave to your argument? Your original statement was that slugs dropped "3 feet" at two hundred. Instead of admitting that your statement is absolutely bogus you continue to try avoid that fact by diverting attention to irrelevant details..
since we are also comparing shots
10-15-2005, 05:16 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
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Thanks for the missleading quote "Is the rifle more "powerful" than a slug gun, reason and facts say NO. " Your words, NOT mine.
Thanks for the missleading quote "Is the rifle more "powerful" than a slug gun, reason and facts say NO. " Your words, NOT mine.
Here...once again...is YOUR statement...
ORIGINAL:CMA
Lets Compare a modern slug gun to a modern rifle, pappy's punkin' balls and bird guns are no comparison to sabots and rifled barrels,
A Middle of the road slug load; 12ga Winchester Platinum-Tip, 400GR at 1700FPS produces 2566FPE
AMiddle of theroadrifle load;7mm-08, 140gr at 2800FPS produces 2437FPE.
IS THE RIFLE MORE"POWERFUL"THAN A SLUG GUN,REASON AND FACTS SAY NO."
Lets Compare a modern slug gun to a modern rifle, pappy's punkin' balls and bird guns are no comparison to sabots and rifled barrels,
A Middle of the road slug load; 12ga Winchester Platinum-Tip, 400GR at 1700FPS produces 2566FPE
AMiddle of theroadrifle load;7mm-08, 140gr at 2800FPS produces 2437FPE.
IS THE RIFLE MORE"POWERFUL"THAN A SLUG GUN,REASON AND FACTS SAY NO."
The Shotgun has greater inital energy (power); downrange the rifle will retain greater velocity due to less drag(In this PARTICULAR comparison). The Shotgun still has greater muzzle energy (power)when compared to allbut the most powerfull of hunting rifles
by your own example, that would mean thatthere is no need for charts listing rifle drop out to 500Yds as hitting the animal would be luck
I've been wondering, What was so absurd about comparing the Platinum-tip slug to the 7mm-08?
"I also find it interesting that you choose to attempt to make your comparison using one of the most powerful slugs on the market, yet you fail to do the same thing for your rifle projectile. An equivelent comparison would be the Platinum tip in a slug gun vs. something along the lines of a .300 Winchester Magnum."
Where in your mind...did I you come up with the belief that I said it was an "absurd" comparison?
10-15-2005, 06:03 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
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Thankfully I don't shoot an average setup!!...My last trip to the range..Savage 210
Thankfully I don't shoot an average setup!!...My last trip to the range..Savage 210
SO WHAT DOES YOUR LAST TRIP TO THE RANGE HAVE TO DO WITH THE TOPIC?
10-15-2005, 06:08 PM
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RE: To all you guys posting your land do to the "new "dangers of hunting.
I would also like to point out as you are on the what does it have to do with kick, Are you one of the people this topic was started for? By that I mean did you post your land when the law went into effect?