patrkyhntr

What does this have to do with the USP Lawsuit, which was the topic of the original post? As usual this individual turns any topic he posts in into a "bash Alt and the PGC" thread.

The USP lawsuit is ill conceived, poor strategy, and hopefully will end in costing the USP all of its financial resources. It is the ultimate example of "I'll sue you if I don't get my way," thinking. The leadership of USP should be laughed out of town for bringing this one, and anyone who supports their effort here has a serious problem dealing with reality.

ddear

BTB raised the issue that the USP suit opens the door for antihunting groups like Peta to file additional suits. I simply rebutted his claim by pointing out that the PGC has provided the necessary data for any anti-hunting group to file suit claiming that hunting was not an effective tool for controling the herd.
If you go back and look at the PGC press releases you will see that they claim the PS herd increased from 1.3M in 2002 to 1.6 M in 2004. Any two bit lawyer could go back through the PGC PR's and make any PGC biologist look silly. How would a PGC biologist defend implementing AR's in 5 C when the OWDD goal is 6 DPSM?

BTBowhunter

Sigh.... He just keeps going and going and going.

Sorry guys,[&:] it looks like I got him started this time. (NOT INTENTIONALLY!!)
I actually thought we had this dead horse buried.

patrkyhntr

Don't worry about it. If you started a thread about ballroom dancing, he would find some way to turn it into another forum for his hatred for the PGC.

ddear

Let me make this perfectly clear, I DO NOT HATE THE PGC. The PGC has a very difficult job providing hunting opportunties for 1 M hunters while more land is being developed every day. The previous deer managers produced record total harvest of 1.5 buck, 2.5+ buck and antlerless deer in 2002. Those harvests were not the result of Alt's paln but they were the result of what he referred to as the failed deer management of the past.

If the PGC has any hope of managing the deer herd successfully, they have to be honest with the hunters of PA. They can't make promises they can't keep and they have to maintain a deer population that retains enough hunters to control it. If the PGC reduces the herd to levels where hunters no longer enjoy hunting they will lose the hunters that are needed to control the herd as the habitat recovers and as a result they will lose their ability to control the herd by hunting..

BTBowhunter

Time to use the litte red hand located in thelower left corner of a certain members posts?

AJ52

That time is coming very soon[:@]

missedagain

Where in Pa are you seeing all those bucks on game lands?

patrkyhntr

I posted exactly which gamelands I hunt on in another post in this thread. Here are the main points, repeated for your benefit.

I don't know where you hunt, but I could use the company.
I hunt state gamelands number 81, nearly all of which is in Huntingdon County. Here is a link to a PDF map of the gamelands.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/counties/maps/81.pdf
I don't think I ever get a mile away from the road, but do sometimes walk well over three miles from my cabin when still hunting. If you are hunting in an area where you can't get more than a hundred yards away from other hunters, try my gamelands, but be prepared to climb some steep and rough stuff. It isn't too far from Altoona. Now, on the negative side, our buck/doe ratio is quite low. I saw ten bucks during rifle season, but only thirty total deer. This suits me just fine, but it might not suit you. I did talk to some of the guys who usually hunt in this gamelands and they were complaining that they weren't seeing any deer at all. I have no reason to dispute what they or you are saying.
Here is a photo of a buck taken by a youngster I took out the first day. It was his first. He is 14.


I will add one other photo. This is of the buck I shot on Thursday of the second week of rifle season. Notice that the hair is completely gone from the right rear quarter. I had to drag him about a mile through the rocks. Not braggin'. You asked.

germain

I gotta tell you turkeyhunter,it's been a few years since I talked to anybody that saw close to 30 deer or ten bucks in one season on state land.
Good job