WV Hunters
08-19-2005, 09:20 AM
#31
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Berkeley Springs WV
Posts: 101
RE: WV Hunters
I know what you are saying about the money part but they could still make buku dollars a limit the number of non residents. We in WV are suffering the results of the deer management program that PA has started. Many PA hunters do not like the AR and HR plan for thier deer heard. Instead of hunting thier home state they are coming to WV in droves to practice "its brown, its down" resulting in the absolute destruction of our heard on many public lands. Ask any WV resident hunter in the northern part of the state or the eastern panhandle about the influx of Non residents over the past few years and the problems they have brought. I feel confident in saying that 95% of resident huntersare not happy about it at all...and the other 5% just dont care. I would gladly pay twice the resident license fee just to have a limit on the number of non residents to give those who live here more and better oppertunities instead of being run out of our public lands by armies of non residents who dont like hunting in thier own state.
08-19-2005, 09:25 AM
#32
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Berkeley Springs WV
Posts: 101
RE: WV Hunters
ORIGINAL: Rem1100
I'm with ya,Bro... I live in Hedgesville... sad what's happened to our home,isn't it.......
ORIGINAL: tanzian
hunting in the eastern panhandle will soon be a thing of the past at the rate lands are being gobbled up for new housing projects. I used to have places to hunt in Jefferson, Berkeley and Morgan, but all are gone cept for my own little piece of Morgan. Sleepy Creek is a waste of time and isnt even safe when the orange army invades during deer season. Hunting at other times for other species isnt bad though.
Last year I tried to go up and hunt Short Mountain WMA but gave up rather quickly as the first camp I came on had 32 PA guys and the second had nearly as many from PA. Another group had 20 plus from MD and even antoher from VA had 20 plus.
Not to start anything but I think it is high time WV starts limiting the number of out of state licenses issued to give the residents a chance to hunt without having to travel to the other end of the state.
hunting in the eastern panhandle will soon be a thing of the past at the rate lands are being gobbled up for new housing projects. I used to have places to hunt in Jefferson, Berkeley and Morgan, but all are gone cept for my own little piece of Morgan. Sleepy Creek is a waste of time and isnt even safe when the orange army invades during deer season. Hunting at other times for other species isnt bad though.
Last year I tried to go up and hunt Short Mountain WMA but gave up rather quickly as the first camp I came on had 32 PA guys and the second had nearly as many from PA. Another group had 20 plus from MD and even antoher from VA had 20 plus.
Not to start anything but I think it is high time WV starts limiting the number of out of state licenses issued to give the residents a chance to hunt without having to travel to the other end of the state.
08-19-2005, 10:51 AM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2004
Location:
Posts: 1,188
RE: WV Hunters
ORIGINAL: tanzian
It is more then sad...it is down right disgusting. Although I am not native to WV, I am proud of my adopted home state and it traditions and rich heritage. Problem is that sense of tradition and heritage is being sold off to the highest bidder...and all too many times with the blessing of the state, leaving those that live here holding the bag to pay for it in the long run.
ORIGINAL: Rem1100
I'm with ya,Bro... I live in Hedgesville... sad what's happened to our home,isn't it.......
ORIGINAL: tanzian
hunting in the eastern panhandle will soon be a thing of the past at the rate lands are being gobbled up for new housing projects. I used to have places to hunt in Jefferson, Berkeley and Morgan, but all are gone cept for my own little piece of Morgan. Sleepy Creek is a waste of time and isnt even safe when the orange army invades during deer season. Hunting at other times for other species isnt bad though.
Last year I tried to go up and hunt Short Mountain WMA but gave up rather quickly as the first camp I came on had 32 PA guys and the second had nearly as many from PA. Another group had 20 plus from MD and even antoher from VA had 20 plus.
Not to start anything but I think it is high time WV starts limiting the number of out of state licenses issued to give the residents a chance to hunt without having to travel to the other end of the state.
hunting in the eastern panhandle will soon be a thing of the past at the rate lands are being gobbled up for new housing projects. I used to have places to hunt in Jefferson, Berkeley and Morgan, but all are gone cept for my own little piece of Morgan. Sleepy Creek is a waste of time and isnt even safe when the orange army invades during deer season. Hunting at other times for other species isnt bad though.
Last year I tried to go up and hunt Short Mountain WMA but gave up rather quickly as the first camp I came on had 32 PA guys and the second had nearly as many from PA. Another group had 20 plus from MD and even antoher from VA had 20 plus.
Not to start anything but I think it is high time WV starts limiting the number of out of state licenses issued to give the residents a chance to hunt without having to travel to the other end of the state.
08-19-2005, 03:09 PM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: WV
Posts: 4,484
RE: WV Hunters
There still are options for WV to keep the same amount of revenue and yet limit the number of non resident licenses. They could cut the number of issued non-res licenses in half and double the prices for non residents. That would probably put non res licenses at 200.00 which is still not that bad, if you have the disposable income to travel to another state and hunt anyway. Just an opinion.
08-19-2005, 03:27 PM
#35
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Posts: 372
RE: WV Hunters
ORIGINAL: hillbillyhunter1
There still are options for WV to keep the same amount of revenue and yet limit the number of non resident licenses. They could cut the number of issued non-res licenses in half and double the prices for non residents. That would probably put non res licenses at 200.00 which is still not that bad, if you have the disposable income to travel to another state and hunt anyway. Just an opinion.
There still are options for WV to keep the same amount of revenue and yet limit the number of non resident licenses. They could cut the number of issued non-res licenses in half and double the prices for non residents. That would probably put non res licenses at 200.00 which is still not that bad, if you have the disposable income to travel to another state and hunt anyway. Just an opinion.
08-19-2005, 07:39 PM
#36
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wardensville West Virginia USA
Posts: 640
RE: WV Hunters
Ive actually noticed over the last 2 years or so that the number of out of staters has gone down round my home town. During buck season we used to call the local national forest area "Little Pennsylvania", because it was populated by 90% PA residents. Im glad to see the numbers of out of staters dropping though. Not really sure why there arent as many around here anymore. Ive noticed that the deer population around Hardy county has went way down, you dont see near as many as you used to, maybe thats why the PA people dont come around anymore. The only people who see the deer herds getting larger are the state biologists that keep upping the number of doe tags saying there are too many. Well guys where are they. Maybe they moved to PA since no one hunts up there they figure its safer up there.
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08-21-2005, 03:45 PM
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gambrills Md US
Posts: 6,080
RE: WV Hunters
I got an idea, how about if they jack up the nonresident hunting licenses by $2,000. Then they can wonder why so many businesses lose sales and go into Chapter 11. The answer is antler restrictions, buck bag limits of 1 or 2 max per year, all weapons combined, and SENSIBLE doe seasons and bag limits, not charging out of state landowners even more, who already pay many times more in taxes for land they use much less to send the local WV kids to school.
08-21-2005, 08:28 PM
#38
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Berkeley Springs WV
Posts: 101
RE: WV Hunters
ORIGINAL: DougMD
I got an idea, how about if they jack up the nonresident hunting licenses by $2,000. Then they can wonder why so many businesses lose sales and go into Chapter 11. The answer is antler restrictions, buck bag limits of 1 or 2 max per year, all weapons combined, and SENSIBLE doe seasons and bag limits, not charging out of state landowners even more, who already pay many times more in taxes for land they use much less to send the local WV kids to school.
I got an idea, how about if they jack up the nonresident hunting licenses by $2,000. Then they can wonder why so many businesses lose sales and go into Chapter 11. The answer is antler restrictions, buck bag limits of 1 or 2 max per year, all weapons combined, and SENSIBLE doe seasons and bag limits, not charging out of state landowners even more, who already pay many times more in taxes for land they use much less to send the local WV kids to school.
I pay the same amount in taxes for my place in WV that I did before I moved onto it full time from out of state.Kinda ironic that I just got my tax bill about three weeks ago. I dont think non resident landowners should have to pay the full non resident license fee but should be in a class somewhere between resident and non residnets if they are only hunting thier own land.
I am not talking nonresident landowners who hunt thier own land, I am talking the number of non resident hunters on public land.
AR is not the answer at all in WV. All AR would do would be increase that amount of poaching that is already ramapant in WV. Even worse yet is the number of out of state poachers that get caught in WV every year is going up... the local warden in my county caught more poachers from MD and PA then he did residents last year.
The influx of Non resident hunters has gone up big time since PA introduced AR/HR. Many who do not like it have given up hunting thier home state infavor of coming to WV just to slaughter any deer they see. The number has risen to the level that many "locals" who live here have given up hunting at all on any public tract... saying that the pressure is just to great and in many cases, such as Sleepy Creek, it just isnt safe with a hunter behind nearly every tree.
I am one of those hunters who will no longer hunt public land in WV due to the numbers of non residents. So now I wont buy a license at all..just hunt the small amount of land that I live on with the resident landowner privalidge. So there again, the state loses money.
Bottom line is simple... limit the number of Non resident licenses on a per COUNTY basis. Only issue them base on the amount of public land in said county. Create a special seperate license for non resident landowners who only hunt thier land that is not the full price of a regular non resident license. It is a sad day indeed when residents of a state have to give up thier use of thier homes public lands due to the influx of others who dont live there.
08-22-2005, 11:00 AM
#40
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gambrills Md US
Posts: 6,080
RE: WV Hunters
OK, you are talking about PUBLIC land. Also, I see the point about antler restrictions increasing the number of poachers because some people would still shoot any buck that comes along,but it would still decreasethe number of small bucks killed becausemost people obey the law. Also,if WV imposed AR's, anyone from PA who now goes to WV just to shoot any young buck wouldn't be so inclined to go to WV for the same restrictions they have back in PA. If they became poachers by ignoring the AR law, they can do it in PA without having to got to WV.