338-06 Overrated or Underrated
#21
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: va USA
Posts: 580
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
I built my 338-06 a little over 10 years ago for an elk hunt that never happened. I've killed black bears and deer with mine. What you have is a serious big game round without the recoil or extra noise of a magnum.
I've experimented with a lot of different bullets(X-bullets, Partitions, Ballistic Tips, Sierra, Hornady, Speer) and powders. Almost everything I've tried gives more than enough accuracy for real world hunting conditions. Some were very accurate.
The best combination for my rifle pushes a 210pr Nosler Partition to 2790-2800fps range. That's without any signs of excess pressure. Dropping down to a 200gr bullet doesn't give any real increase. Increasing the weight to 225gr I can safely get in the mid 2600's.
All were chrongraphed when I worked them up, no guessing.
Hunting range will be similar to a 30-06 shooting a 180gr bullet.
They aren't flashy numbers(in an age when everyone wants a magnum) but they do result in a very solid useable hunting rifle.
Someone asked about finding dies, Dies are sold by every company that sells dies. Mine RCBS.
I've experimented with a lot of different bullets(X-bullets, Partitions, Ballistic Tips, Sierra, Hornady, Speer) and powders. Almost everything I've tried gives more than enough accuracy for real world hunting conditions. Some were very accurate.
The best combination for my rifle pushes a 210pr Nosler Partition to 2790-2800fps range. That's without any signs of excess pressure. Dropping down to a 200gr bullet doesn't give any real increase. Increasing the weight to 225gr I can safely get in the mid 2600's.
All were chrongraphed when I worked them up, no guessing.
Hunting range will be similar to a 30-06 shooting a 180gr bullet.
They aren't flashy numbers(in an age when everyone wants a magnum) but they do result in a very solid useable hunting rifle.
Someone asked about finding dies, Dies are sold by every company that sells dies. Mine RCBS.
#23
Join Date: May 2004
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 776
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
ORIGINAL: mossy33oak
ok, yall got me a little interested in this after reading all these replies, so some questions.........say I have an old 760 30-06, I get my gunsmith to rebarrel it to .338-06. Can a pump handle the extra pressures needed to get the performance desired outta this round?Or would it be better to use a bolt action for this project? And can the average person take a 30-06 casing and squeeze a 338 bullet into it without modifying the casing any?
oh and another thing, where would i find dies?
ok, yall got me a little interested in this after reading all these replies, so some questions.........say I have an old 760 30-06, I get my gunsmith to rebarrel it to .338-06. Can a pump handle the extra pressures needed to get the performance desired outta this round?Or would it be better to use a bolt action for this project? And can the average person take a 30-06 casing and squeeze a 338 bullet into it without modifying the casing any?
oh and another thing, where would i find dies?
in the Speer reloading manual (#12 that I have), and there noted to be loaded to roughly the same pressures as the 35Whelen, or about 52,000cup. BTW, pressures listed for the 30-06 are 50,000cup. The model 760 should be fine, but if in doubt a quick call to Remington should tell ya' for sure. In any case, start a little low, and work up the loads, watching for pressure signs - as always should be done. As to sizing the case, it's just a matter of necking it up, just as is done when making 35Whelen cases from 30-06 brass. RCBS should have dies for you.
I checked Nosler's website, and they have about a half dozen loads available now for the
338-06. You might also want to check out Hodgen website for some data, and there's
a bunch of loadings listed at Conley Precision.
Links: http://www.cpcartridge.com/338-06-P.htm
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/33806.php
http://www.nosler.com/index.html
#24
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: mobile, alabama
Posts: 430
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
A fine cartridge. the 338 sectional density is outstanding. I admire the 35 Whelen, but a good 338/06 is the ticket for a brush-busting medium range game getter. Weatherby chambers for this, that should tell you something.
#25
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
The 7600 will handle the round fine. It is chambered in 35 Whelen and still available at Grice Gun shop. They will even lay it away for you.
OEH do you have a name or two of smiths that will rebore the 7600. Or rebarrel it?
OEH do you have a name or two of smiths that will rebore the 7600. Or rebarrel it?
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Posts: 3,516
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
According to the "Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading Fifth Edition", one can push a 225 gr. SP with a BC: .397 SD: .281 at 2,700 f/s 3,642 ft/lb. That should do a fine job on elk. Good luck.
#29
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Posts: 321
RE: 338-06 Overrated or Underrated
From my research the 338/06 carries a little better at long range when compared to the 35 whelen. the biggest bonus, if you handload, is the increased selection of bullets vs the 358's. the downside... very scarce factory ammo... i believe weatherby is loading for this or Norma or someone... On the other hand Remington offers 35 Whelen but i am pretty sure neither round is generally "stocked", even cabelas in Dundee, Mi does not carry 35 Whelen ammo.. and a very small selection of .358 bullets...
I did go the 35 whelen improved route in my latest creation because well i figured it'd be easier to find ammunition if i happened to be somewhere and lost of forgot my handloads... and the IMP verion can shoot factory ammo fairly accurately... If need be...
personally my 35 whelen AI.. pushing 250 gr bullets... with 53 gr of Reloader 15 has a MUCH more gentle recoil than my 280 remington loaded middle of the road with 175's...
i do sometimes think i should have gone 338/06 AI... oh well... if i ever really want to go for the gusto i'll turn the 35 Whelen AI into a Brown-Whelen or something
JR
I did go the 35 whelen improved route in my latest creation because well i figured it'd be easier to find ammunition if i happened to be somewhere and lost of forgot my handloads... and the IMP verion can shoot factory ammo fairly accurately... If need be...
personally my 35 whelen AI.. pushing 250 gr bullets... with 53 gr of Reloader 15 has a MUCH more gentle recoil than my 280 remington loaded middle of the road with 175's...
i do sometimes think i should have gone 338/06 AI... oh well... if i ever really want to go for the gusto i'll turn the 35 Whelen AI into a Brown-Whelen or something
JR