270 WSM
#21
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Federal Way, WA
Posts: 359
RE: 270 WSM
I agree with old elk, there are better calibers. My friends, close friends, have lost game to the 270. The bullets were in the pump house. This happened twice to two different friends. Unfortunately there are some cowboys in the woods. My buddy shot at this elk with his 270, hit him in the vitals, not a heart shot, lung shot. The elk ran 100-150 yards all the while getting made into swiss cheese by some long range lobbers. He, buddy, had a difficult walk to the elk and when he got there the dipsticks already had a tag on it. Why bother with two idiots with guns in the middle of nowhere. The shot was 250-300 yards. A bigger caliber he might of had the velocity and power to take the elk out right there.
#23
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location:
Posts: 39
RE: 270 WSM
ORIGINAL: haugenna
I agree with old elk, there are better calibers. My friends, close friends, have lost game to the 270. The bullets were in the pump house. This happened twice to two different friends. Unfortunately there are some cowboys in the woods. My buddy shot at this elk with his 270, hit him in the vitals, not a heart shot, lung shot. The elk ran 100-150 yards all the while getting made into swiss cheese by some long range lobbers. He, buddy, had a difficult walk to the elk and when he got there the dipsticks already had a tag on it. Why bother with two idiots with guns in the middle of nowhere. The shot was 250-300 yards. A bigger caliber he might of had the velocity and power to take the elk out right there.
I agree with old elk, there are better calibers. My friends, close friends, have lost game to the 270. The bullets were in the pump house. This happened twice to two different friends. Unfortunately there are some cowboys in the woods. My buddy shot at this elk with his 270, hit him in the vitals, not a heart shot, lung shot. The elk ran 100-150 yards all the while getting made into swiss cheese by some long range lobbers. He, buddy, had a difficult walk to the elk and when he got there the dipsticks already had a tag on it. Why bother with two idiots with guns in the middle of nowhere. The shot was 250-300 yards. A bigger caliber he might of had the velocity and power to take the elk out right there.
I haven't had the opportunity to take game yet with my .270WSM, but when I do I will let you know how it worked. Others who have used the .270WSM on elk have only reported very positive results, provided properly constructed bullets were used.
#24
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Federal Way, WA
Posts: 359
RE: 270 WSM
I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU CANT SHOOT AN ELK ADEQUATELY WITH A 270 OR A 270WSM.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CALIBERS FOR ELK OUT THERE.
The reason he knew he hit the vitals is because there was a lung shot and the other guy shot it and hit it in the spine and then one in the neck once the animal was down. They field dressed the animal and there were three holes. Lungs, my friends shot, Spine, which disabled the animal from moving, idiot shot, and neck, idiot shot. He was there when they field dressed the animal, He hit it in the lungs and bedded the bullet in the opposite shoulder. They shot it in the spine and then finished it in the neck. Pretty cut and dry.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CALIBERS FOR ELK OUT THERE.
The reason he knew he hit the vitals is because there was a lung shot and the other guy shot it and hit it in the spine and then one in the neck once the animal was down. They field dressed the animal and there were three holes. Lungs, my friends shot, Spine, which disabled the animal from moving, idiot shot, and neck, idiot shot. He was there when they field dressed the animal, He hit it in the lungs and bedded the bullet in the opposite shoulder. They shot it in the spine and then finished it in the neck. Pretty cut and dry.
#25
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location:
Posts: 39
RE: 270 WSM
ORIGINAL: haugenna
I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU CANT SHOOT AN ELK ADEQUATELY WITH A 270 OR A 270WSM.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CALIBERS FOR ELK OUT THERE.
The reason he knew he hit the vitals is because there was a lung shot and the other guy shot it and hit it in the spine and then one in the neck once the animal was down. They field dressed the animal and there were three holes. Lungs, my friends shot, Spine, which disabled the animal from moving, idiot shot, and neck, idiot shot. He was there when they field dressed the animal, He hit it in the lungs and bedded the bullet in the opposite shoulder. They shot it in the spine and then finished it in the neck. Pretty cut and dry.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU CANT SHOOT AN ELK ADEQUATELY WITH A 270 OR A 270WSM.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CALIBERS FOR ELK OUT THERE.
The reason he knew he hit the vitals is because there was a lung shot and the other guy shot it and hit it in the spine and then one in the neck once the animal was down. They field dressed the animal and there were three holes. Lungs, my friends shot, Spine, which disabled the animal from moving, idiot shot, and neck, idiot shot. He was there when they field dressed the animal, He hit it in the lungs and bedded the bullet in the opposite shoulder. They shot it in the spine and then finished it in the neck. Pretty cut and dry.
#26
RE: 270 WSM
Any lung shot animal with any caliber is going down. It would not matter a lung hit by a 375 H&H or a Lung shot with a 243. The damage is going to be the same. Bigger calibers won't kill on a lung shot any faster than a small caliber. I have killed to many to be told otherwise. However if someone needs a bigger caliber they are out there for the buying.
#28
RE: 270 WSM
I would say "yes" and "yes" - by a very small margin. If both guns have comparable barrels and are loaded with 150 grain bullets, the .270 WSM is a little faster and the bullet has a little better sectional density. If you shoot 140's or 130's, the WSM is even faster at about the same sectional density. It also seems to have alittle less recoil to boot - although this is subjective on my part, and not based on any sort of quantitative comparison. Accuracy with either can be very good -but the short fat case w/o a belt would give the WSM the nod in that regards as well - at least on paper. In the field, however, you probably wouldn't notice any difference.
#29
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: fort mcmurray alberta canada
Posts: 5,667
RE: 270 WSM
it is more powerful than a 7 mm rem mag and more accurate.
As to the theoretical accuracy advantage that the wsm's supposedly hold,it is purely theoretical.The quality of the barrel,the bedding and the load are far more important than the cartridge where accuracy is concerned.A fellow came to our range and spouted the same nonsense about how his 300wsm was more accurate than the 300win mag and all other full length magnums.When I offered to put my 300ultramag up against his 300wsm for a three shot group he smirked about about it because he did not believe that the much heavier recoiling ,much longer cased 300 ultramag could compete with his short cased much milder recoiling 300wsm.He was quite proud of his group which did measure under 1" but the smirk disappeared after my sub .600" group.I offered to go again and he accepted and managed to shoot a group just over .750" but my second group measuring almost exactly 1/2" really discouraged him.I have also had the pleasure to outshot a few other 300wsm's and a couple of 270wsm's with both my 7mmstw's and 300ultramags and I must admit that I enjoy the looks on the faces of their owners who believed that any wsm is more accurate than any of the longer cased magnums.
Not that the wsm's aren't very good cartridges,because I do believe that they are.It's just that they don't live up to the misleading advertising used by winchester and browning to promote them.
#30
RE: 270 WSM
From my new Lyman manual there is only 93 fps difference between the 270 Win. and the 270 WSM. that with 150 grain bullets. The 7 Mag shoots the same bullet weight 100 fps faster than the 270 WSM. Not enough to make a practicle difference in the field but it certainly fall short of the 7 Mag.
I do think however that it would make a fine elk gun because I have found that the 270 Win. Does just fine on elk. Accuracy has not much to do with the caliber and I don't buy the hype they sell on superior accuracy over the longer actions. Some may be more accurate but some may be less.
I do think however that it would make a fine elk gun because I have found that the 270 Win. Does just fine on elk. Accuracy has not much to do with the caliber and I don't buy the hype they sell on superior accuracy over the longer actions. Some may be more accurate but some may be less.