oldelkhunter

BC i think your becoming a High End gun snob ever since you bought that Sako

bigcountry

Yea, thinking of changing my name to Big Cosmopolitian ever since I got the sako. Man all, I need to do now is trade in my 870's (inferior contraptions) for a nice Browning Citori over under. But you know know, Citori's are so low end.

oldelkhunter

Yep that is all you need to do and it will be Big City in lieu of Country. I need to leave here in a little while with my Eyetalian SxS and do a bit of Sporting Clays.

Jake696

Of course...there's no need to speak of Dodge as a US truck anymore anyway...as Chrysler Corp. is now owned by Daimler Benz of Germany...AND...I know that a few gunmakers have recently been purchased by offshore countries as well.

saintjb

New guy to the forum here, this is a great discussion. I own firearms all over the $$ map. I buy what works for me, not what will look good at the club. I own a Barretta O/U and an old Browning, which are fine shotguns. I have to tell you though that I shot a new CZ-USA "Canvasback" the other day, they are made by Huglu in Turkey. Just a simple plain Jane with a black receiver, 20G, with 28" barrels and it felt as good, and shot as well as almost any gun I have used. The wood metal fit was perfect, a little stiff which you would expect with a new gun. I ended up buying it for my grandson. Hell, may go get one myself. From my experience, I agree with quite a few opinions on this board, that maybe some of the US and more famous European manufacturers are living a bit too high off reputation these days and not putting much energy into new tight tolerence manufacturing. If anyone really takes a sincere trial of guns like this CZ, and is intellectually honest, they will agree.

From what I have seen of this forum, I am impressed with the honest and knowledgeable comments and discussions. If you don't mind I'll stick around a while.

Best Regards,
Saint JB

Rebel Hog

BC, I HAVE 2 AYA's SXS 1 12ga and 1 20ga bought in Spain......See what they are
worth in the US?

Slamfire

Support Ruger! Buy a Gold Label SXS.

DEADEYEONE

I have a light 20 Browning auto 5.The stock was so good looking I had to have the gun and bought it new.. But guess what ,I bought an old 870 20 gauge wingmaster because I like 20 gauges for small game. The old remington is modified and will hold a better pattern than the Browning ,NOT TO MENTION YOU CAN HOLD THE BEAD ON THE TARGET AND NOT A FOOT LOW LIKE THE BROWNING TO HIT THE TARGET.
It is how they shoot and not the name .Also how they handle for you or me. Best, Mike

nyorange

The real reason why foreign gunmakers are doing so well.

Its because they market for demand for guns is getting soft. How many guns can you sell to the same shooter. Whereas there used to be high recruitment into the shooting sports, nowadays its non existant. What your looking at is selling more and more guns to repeat customers not new ones. Ever wonder why we got so many new high end .45 pistols? Their on the cover of every magazine every month. Who the hell is buying them all?Its guys who already own a whole bunch of guns and have the money to get more. They don't need a good shooter, they already got one. They WANT something new and different and high end to keep their interest going. Same with rifles. How many of us have far more guns than we need. Gotta keep our interest in some new fancy gun or they might as well right off any new gun sales since there isn't a "new" market for the forseeable future. The other end is the super cheap guns now available that are primarily purchased by shooters as beater guns or mere playthings because they are so cheap. No one is getting one of these cheap new guns made in some formerly known as country as their sole firearm, we buy them cuz they are cheap and good so why not. Basically an impulse buy. Gold labels, kimber, noslers new rifle, all expensive an exist solely to pique the interest and capitalize off gun owners who really don't need to purcahse a thing since they already have the bases covered. I imagine in 10-20 years we will have reallly, really expensive guns which will be your main battery and incredibly cheap ones to fill out the niches and impulse buys. Makers of basic good guns like remington are going to have a harder and harder time unless they go to one of these extremes. My god, a nova pump, so much high tech, energy and money to go into a pump shotgun for pete's sake. Reliability?Has anyone ever had a 870, mossberg pump etc, even after being dropped in the mud, fail to fire? EVER? A nova is still a pump gun with all the pros and cons assocaited with such a type. The fact is the only reason it was created was to create a market in an already saturated field and sell to shooters who really don't need it. Anyone here not have a pump gun that was 100% reliable prior to the NOVA? Hell, the success of the WSM series of guns and cartridges says it all. Does anyone need more proof than that?

Hopefully we will all try and introduce at least one new shooter to the sport this year and allow all of the gun companies to keep going and prosper long into the future. Take care all. Just an Opinion.

(This whole rant was sparked by that speech in the movie Other People's Money where the guy talks about the last buggy whip company in America and how they probably built the best damn buggy whip you ever saw, yet for some unfathomable reason, they still went out of business.HAHAHA)

DEADEYEONE

NYORANGE, you are right, most of us have plenty guns, we look at the magazines and stores and want to try something new.I have an Ithaca 37 12 gauge pump that I bought new in the 70s. Best shooting shotgun for quail, rabbits,buckshot for deer that I ever owned.No recoil pad and it kicks like a mule.
I must admit I have been looking at the Benellies, but I really don,t need one.I need to buy a new gun safe if I buy any more guns.
I never saw a gun I didn,t like; just some that I did not need or could not afford.
Best, Mike