Popere

Does the amount of grain in a bullet effect recoil? i.e. 230gr vs 165gr.

PAhunter86

A heavier bullet will produce more recoil.

gorse

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rost495

I dont' know that this is actually proven scientifically. But there is also percieved recoil. I"ll take a stab at the 165 vs 230 issue. Both are available in the 45 ACP round. I carry and shoot both in my Kimber. The 230 should have more recoil because its heavier and in the same cartridge. But the recoil impulse is slower since the speed is slower. The 165 should be lighter in recoil but it runs a fair amount faster so you are smacked faster. I've found that often times sheer speed of impact of recoil can bother folks more than ft pounds do.

Thats my personal impression. I'd rather get shoved a lot and slower than not as much but at super speed. No I'm not saying 35 Whelen vs 22-250 though.

Final thoughts, the 165s in my Kimber are fairly sharp in recoil but don't move the sights off CM as much as something like a hardball 230 grain round does. In the end I think both rounds are about the same. And both are sharper than a 185 gn semi wadcutter target round thats both light and slow.

Jeff

Popere

OK guys I knew I would get hammered on this one. I have a SigP220ST in 45 ACP. I have been shooting cheap 230 grain rounds trying to get used to shooting this pistol, and not break the bank. I am getting better with my acuracy everytime I go out to the range.

I have even bought a Browning Buckmark 22 to help with my 45 shooting. I had a flinch when I first started shooting this pistol but the 22 has helped that to go away. Plus I just wanted to have a 22 pistol for plinking.

The reason that I asked the original question is that I was curious if a smaller grain bullet would have less recoil and help with my acuracy.

gorse

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rost495

I take it you don't reload YET. Consider it. At least save your brass. That can even be sold later.... But 8 pounds or so of powder and 5000 lead bullets can be converted into cheap ammo.

In the meantime find some reliable reloads using 185 or 200 LEAD semi wadcutters. They usually are fairly slow as at high speeds they lead the barrel worse(easy to clean out though after accuracy deteriorates). Reloads by the 1000 will have lower recoil and be cheaper.

If you load, then you can replace with a lighter recoil spring and load lighter loads later.

I suspected what you were after right away by the bullet weights and question. But as noted, just come on right out and ask the question. With hunting questions the more you tell, the better the answers. With ammo, guns, reloads etc.... you have to give EVERY component etc..... to expect an answer, a safe and sane answer at that.

Best of luck, BTW if you get someone to load you some dummy rounds IE bullet by no primer or powder and drop them into a pocket with live ammo, then load your mags without looking, (called the ball and dummy drill-- and both the dummy round and I are dummies in the game....) then just shoot. You'll help yourself cure the flinches. Also try shooting on a reversed target with no bullseye to aim at. Just aim at the center and let the rest take care of itself. You may shoot better groups that way. Its another old drill to help.

Jeff

Jeff

DAVEWELDZ

Ive been looking into this lately as I messed up and got my 10yr old a .300 savage for his first hunting rifle. I compared the cartridge to my 7MM mag and figured it couldnt kick half as much. Well I was wrong. According the recoil formula I found on line it kicked about 75% of my 7mm. Both shooting 150grain bullets. Too much for my boy. I was able to swap the rifle for a .243 The recoil formula showed about 8lbs with a 100grain bullet and just under 5 lbs with 55 grains. The muzzle energy was close for both bullet weights. Ill see if its true, we are going to try both weights this week end. But according to the numbers the bullet weight has the most effect on recoil.

rost495

Hi Dave

Recoil -- there is a LOT to it. Without actually firing the gun, your son may or may not be able to handle it. Weight, stock design and length of pull, bullet choice are all factors. And as I mentioned earlier MV can be very critical. I can let you shoot 2 rifles of exact same calculated recoil and bet you'll swear one kicks almost twice as much as the other.

But there is nothing wrong with the 243. But don't buy muzzle energy either. That 55 is suited to varmints. Regardless its power. AND it could almost seem to kick as much as an 80 grain round. The rounds suited for deer are going to weigh 90 grains or more. Use the 55 and you may be very sorry and result in a wounded deer and upset son.

Be careful and you'll be just fine.

Jeff

rost495

PS-- don't forget a good pad. Simms or the like go a long way to soften the shock. Went from a hard buttplate on my muzzleloader to a simms and it was like a different beast. A good healthy push still, but no big jar to the shoulder and body.

Jeff