Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
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Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
I am thinking about a new rifle ( Marlin 1895 ) and I was wanting to get some input about cal.( 45-70 or 450 marlin ) I am very partial to 45-70s and I don't have any first hand knowledge of the 450 marlin. My main purpose will be deer hunting and fun I do reload for the 45-70.
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RE: Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
I am very partial to 45-70s and I don't have any first hand knowledge of the 450 marlin. My main purpose will be deer hunting and fun I do reload for the 45-70.
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RE: Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
I have a 45-70 and its fun to shoot . If you dont want to reload the buffalo bore and garrett cartridges are as hot as they get . I also have shot PMC rounds and they are pretty good too. Have fun !!!
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RE: Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
They are both very good rounds and in their best factory loads will just about duplicate each others performance. A big advantage for the .45-70 is its availability. Plus you can start a less experienced shooter with the .45-70 factory loads intended for the old trapdoors. They have much less recoil and muzzle blast than the hot .45-70's or the .450 Marlins. Also one other consideration.....the Guide Gun in Stainless Steel is only available in the .45-70. The .450 Marlin only comes in blue steel.
Other than those differences...they are both great cartridges!
Hope you have fun selecting!
Other than those differences...they are both great cartridges!
Hope you have fun selecting!
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RE: Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
The .450Marlin is the modern arm shooter-but non-reloader's version of the .45-70...i.e., if you're shooting a modern arm, like my favorite, the Marlin 1895's, the .45-70 can actually surpass the .450 in power for a handloader, while typical factory .45-70 rounds are loaded to fairly low levels in deference to old trapdoor's and rolling blocks that weren't made to withstand the pressures that modern day firearms are capable of...a non-handloader either has to pay premium prices for Garret or buffalo bore "high power" .45-70 rounds, or buy a .450M.
I'm a .45-70 shooter, always will be, I've had a .450M to try one on, but I wasn't impressed by it-like I said, a reloader can get superior performance from the .45-70...here's the skinny, Non-reloaders: get the .450 because "standard" factory rounds give the same performance as the "premium" .45-70rounds.....Reloaders: the .45-70 can be pushed well beyond the .450M (especially with heavier bullets), and .45-70 brass can be had much cheaper than .450M's-which will likely remain true indefinately, although the gap will lessen as the .450M becomes more common.
I'm a .45-70 shooter, always will be, I've had a .450M to try one on, but I wasn't impressed by it-like I said, a reloader can get superior performance from the .45-70...here's the skinny, Non-reloaders: get the .450 because "standard" factory rounds give the same performance as the "premium" .45-70rounds.....Reloaders: the .45-70 can be pushed well beyond the .450M (especially with heavier bullets), and .45-70 brass can be had much cheaper than .450M's-which will likely remain true indefinately, although the gap will lessen as the .450M becomes more common.
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RE: Marlin 1895 45-70 or 450 Marlin
I would go with the 450 Marlin caliber in your situation since you are going for a Marlin Model 1895. According to handloading data I found a 45-70 Marlin (1895) pushes a Hornady 350 gr. RN 1900 f/s. A 450 Marlin pushes a SPR 350 gr. FNHP 2067 f/s. If you want to beat the 350 Marlin's ballistics one needs to use a 45-70 in a Rugar #1, Browning 78, Wickliffe, or Siamese Mauser bolt action to handle full pressure handloads loads.
As far as I can tell most factory loads (except Buffalo Bore Ammo) for the 45-70 Gov. are loaded to withstand (Trap Door) pressures, and do not have the advantage of full pressure loads due to safety factors, so factory Marlin 450 loads are faster. Good luck.
As far as I can tell most factory loads (except Buffalo Bore Ammo) for the 45-70 Gov. are loaded to withstand (Trap Door) pressures, and do not have the advantage of full pressure loads due to safety factors, so factory Marlin 450 loads are faster. Good luck.