30-378 or 308 warbird
12-04-2003, 08:38 AM
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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
When I was 16, I probably wouldn't get either. Now, I shoot 300RUM, and 300Win, and I can get close to a 30-378 with a 180gr bullets flying at 3350fps. But when I was 16, I only have 4 to 6 good years experience shooting 270Wins, and 243's, and wasn't near ready for a those heavy of a rounds. I am a huge advocate of having these rounds available and people shooting them.
If you have too, the 300RUM would be more economical and more pratical. Maybe a 338WinMag. For north america, the 338Win Mag is very nice for Elk, Moose, etc.
James B, you seem to be haveing trouble with this question. I see you post this same question over and over for anything going over 3100fps with an 180gr bullet. The answer has been posted to you several times. These are high powered rifles. They are meant for game from Deer to Bear, or even African game. A gun is a gun is a gun. If the animal is down, it didn't matter what you hit him with.
If you have too, the 300RUM would be more economical and more pratical. Maybe a 338WinMag. For north america, the 338Win Mag is very nice for Elk, Moose, etc.
James B, you seem to be haveing trouble with this question. I see you post this same question over and over for anything going over 3100fps with an 180gr bullet. The answer has been posted to you several times. These are high powered rifles. They are meant for game from Deer to Bear, or even African game. A gun is a gun is a gun. If the animal is down, it didn't matter what you hit him with.
12-04-2003, 09:42 AM
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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
Hi bigcountry,
Please don't take offense, it's not meant that way. And I do not presume to be answering for James, I am sure he can answer for himself. And I am most certainly not trying to "interject myself into the middle of something".
I would like to make an observation though. At least in this particular thread the individual asking the question is very young. And by his own admission has "limited means". Without being too presumptuious, and I could be wrong, he probably has limited experience with firearms, (simply because of his limited financial means). He has stated he enjoys shooting big guns, (nothing wrong with that), and if you will, "he's a recoil junkie", (nothing wrong with that). But I would venture a guess that his total sum of experience is rather limited. And in this vein there is probably nothing wrong with advising him that all that size and energy is NOT necessary for deer hunting. There is nothing wrong with it, in and of itself. As you stated, "dead is dead", and I agree absolutely! But I honestly think most young (beginning hunters) would be served with a somewhat less stout cartridge for deer hunting. They are cheaper to shoot, (he admitted an important consideration), they are easier to learn good shooting habits with, and undoubtedly it is much easier to find ammo in nearly any location. All important considerations.
I don't think there is any thing wrong with attempting to point out this side of the issue....when asked by inexperienced shooters. Sometimes youthful enthusiasm should be tempered!
Now please, before you beat me up verbally, understand what I have NOT just said. I did not say there was anything wrong with any of the new magnums, (simply because there isn't), at least not inherently. And I did not say you should not have one, (or more), and use them if you like. Because you should! I am only pointing out that they are not necessary for deer hunting and in fact may not be good choices for "young" (ie. inexperienced) shooters.
I have magnum rifles in different calibers, (up to and including Magnums in calibers as large as .458). I use and enjoy using them. I most decidely believe magnums have their place. And if they give joy to someone while using them....that's great.
And it is also important on a forum like this that others, (especially the inexperienced) hear all sides of the argument...if you will. Which is why your opinion is as valued as James'.
And by the way....they do one thing better than any of the comparable standards....some magnums do in fact flatten trajectories enough to make it easier for many rifleman to effectively extend their range, (as long as they practice enough to have skills comparable to the cartridges capabilities).
Best wishes!
Please don't take offense, it's not meant that way. And I do not presume to be answering for James, I am sure he can answer for himself. And I am most certainly not trying to "interject myself into the middle of something".
I would like to make an observation though. At least in this particular thread the individual asking the question is very young. And by his own admission has "limited means". Without being too presumptuious, and I could be wrong, he probably has limited experience with firearms, (simply because of his limited financial means). He has stated he enjoys shooting big guns, (nothing wrong with that), and if you will, "he's a recoil junkie", (nothing wrong with that). But I would venture a guess that his total sum of experience is rather limited. And in this vein there is probably nothing wrong with advising him that all that size and energy is NOT necessary for deer hunting. There is nothing wrong with it, in and of itself. As you stated, "dead is dead", and I agree absolutely! But I honestly think most young (beginning hunters) would be served with a somewhat less stout cartridge for deer hunting. They are cheaper to shoot, (he admitted an important consideration), they are easier to learn good shooting habits with, and undoubtedly it is much easier to find ammo in nearly any location. All important considerations.
I don't think there is any thing wrong with attempting to point out this side of the issue....when asked by inexperienced shooters. Sometimes youthful enthusiasm should be tempered!
Now please, before you beat me up verbally, understand what I have NOT just said. I did not say there was anything wrong with any of the new magnums, (simply because there isn't), at least not inherently. And I did not say you should not have one, (or more), and use them if you like. Because you should! I am only pointing out that they are not necessary for deer hunting and in fact may not be good choices for "young" (ie. inexperienced) shooters.
I have magnum rifles in different calibers, (up to and including Magnums in calibers as large as .458). I use and enjoy using them. I most decidely believe magnums have their place. And if they give joy to someone while using them....that's great.
And it is also important on a forum like this that others, (especially the inexperienced) hear all sides of the argument...if you will. Which is why your opinion is as valued as James'.
And by the way....they do one thing better than any of the comparable standards....some magnums do in fact flatten trajectories enough to make it easier for many rifleman to effectively extend their range, (as long as they practice enough to have skills comparable to the cartridges capabilities).
Best wishes!
12-04-2003, 09:55 AM
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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
I think we are saying the same thing almost here Ak. I value all's opinion, except Frizz's statement, could be left out. I remember when I was 14 dreaming of owning the biggest caliber on the block. I don't believe intelligence has alot to do with it. Its just a young shooter likeing big guns. Fortunately for me when I was 16, I didn't have near the means to even go shooting more than 3 or 4 times a year. Even with my trusty 270Win. So fortunely I couldn't fullfill my dreams of haveing a barrel burner. And I am glad, cause I sure wan't ready for one. Thats just me.
12-04-2003, 10:31 AM
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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
Hi bigcountry,
I hear ya. I remember having a "Jungle Jim" set long before I was a teenager, (I know, I really aged myself with that one). And the day dreams and anticipations are not only important....but actually provide more satisfaction simply because they are not limited to financial means, or the time we can set aside from our busy lives. They are frequently part of what makes life worth living.
I think Frizz's statement was said with a "wink and a smile", or at least I certainly hope it was! Hopefully footballboy5571 understood that as well. I know a little humor goes a long way....as long as it's not at someone else's expense! (If you check out the - lazzeroni 308 warbird - thread we were having a little fun yesterday.) I'm pretty certain footballboy5571 realized it was a little humor....but not at his expense!
I read everything I could get my hands on when I was younger if it pertained to guns and hunting. And took every opportunity I could to converse with those more experienced than I, (though frequently I wasn't always invited). And I would have "died" to have had the kind of access to this information and conversation....that the internet provides. (Though it may well have infringed on the time I actually spent outdoors....so maybe best I didn't.)
But I agree with you in that we should be very careful not to stifle someones' curiosity, especially todays' young people!
I hear ya. I remember having a "Jungle Jim" set long before I was a teenager, (I know, I really aged myself with that one). And the day dreams and anticipations are not only important....but actually provide more satisfaction simply because they are not limited to financial means, or the time we can set aside from our busy lives. They are frequently part of what makes life worth living.
I think Frizz's statement was said with a "wink and a smile", or at least I certainly hope it was! Hopefully footballboy5571 understood that as well. I know a little humor goes a long way....as long as it's not at someone else's expense! (If you check out the - lazzeroni 308 warbird - thread we were having a little fun yesterday.) I'm pretty certain footballboy5571 realized it was a little humor....but not at his expense!
I read everything I could get my hands on when I was younger if it pertained to guns and hunting. And took every opportunity I could to converse with those more experienced than I, (though frequently I wasn't always invited). And I would have "died" to have had the kind of access to this information and conversation....that the internet provides. (Though it may well have infringed on the time I actually spent outdoors....so maybe best I didn't.)
But I agree with you in that we should be very careful not to stifle someones' curiosity, especially todays' young people!
12-04-2003, 12:22 PM
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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
All I gots to say is that both the 30-378 and 308 Warbird are going to be very expensive to shoot. Even if you handload, the initial brass price will be crazy. I got a 300 Weatherby a few years ago and couldn't believe how fast I was going through powder. I was used to reloading for a 30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag. I'd love to own one of those cannons because they'd be a lot of fun but I won't "shell"
out that kind of dough.
Scott Meier
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out that kind of dough.Scott Meier
White Oak Lodge