25-06 questions
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,730
RR
#22
LOL easy there RR. But I agree there is some anomalies there in his little post. #1, what good is fire forming brass to ANOTHER chamber? The whole point of fire forming is to have your brass dimensions MATCHING the chamber dimensions of the rifle you are shooting.
As far as case life, that's why you anneal! Start out with decent NEW brass, fire form, neck size only, and anneal. You will find your brass will last as long as the primer pocket lasts. I find the pet load each barrel likes and load up at minimum 200 rounds for my "hunting" rifles that only get shot enough to stay proficient with that particular rifle and for my paper toys I load up around 1000. I have brass for a couple of my rifles that are on their 8th reload and showing absolutely no signs of wear. One being rounds for my AR 10 in 7mm-08 that are loaded on the pretty hot side. That WAS my longer range hog rifle (had a AR 10 .338fed built for that extra OUCHIE at 400 yards) and has taken approximately 450 hogs and a couple thousand paper shots through it. No split necks yet and zero throat erosion. You set your OAL correctly and fire form you will get less gas cutting (I.E. what causes throat erosion). Now SOME caliber/cartridge combinations are just flat out hell on a throat no matter how close of tolerances you load for like a .220 swift or any of the other large cartridge small caliber bullet combinations but you can extend barrel life through close tolerance loading and fire forming.
As far as case life, that's why you anneal! Start out with decent NEW brass, fire form, neck size only, and anneal. You will find your brass will last as long as the primer pocket lasts. I find the pet load each barrel likes and load up at minimum 200 rounds for my "hunting" rifles that only get shot enough to stay proficient with that particular rifle and for my paper toys I load up around 1000. I have brass for a couple of my rifles that are on their 8th reload and showing absolutely no signs of wear. One being rounds for my AR 10 in 7mm-08 that are loaded on the pretty hot side. That WAS my longer range hog rifle (had a AR 10 .338fed built for that extra OUCHIE at 400 yards) and has taken approximately 450 hogs and a couple thousand paper shots through it. No split necks yet and zero throat erosion. You set your OAL correctly and fire form you will get less gas cutting (I.E. what causes throat erosion). Now SOME caliber/cartridge combinations are just flat out hell on a throat no matter how close of tolerances you load for like a .220 swift or any of the other large cartridge small caliber bullet combinations but you can extend barrel life through close tolerance loading and fire forming.
#23
-Jake
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,742
I don't smoke crack there??
and when shooting full charged load that cause the case to expand, there is a chance of case separation as it forms the new chamber??
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
as for why I used a separate chamber, it was to just get brass formed, and NOT spec MY rifle I planned to use it in, BUT darn close
and after that once loaded in my shooting rifle, it was then formed to MY chamber on THAT rifle
I simply used the extra chamber to fire form brass and NOT fill my barrel with corn meal!
there was a reason to my madness(as I guess you see it as??)
I learned this from Bobby Hart, of Hart Rifles A man that kinda knows a LOT about guns?? and wild cat calibers
been a good friend of his, his dad and his Grandfather(many moons ago when he was still with us)
and DON"T think it was bad advice or practice!
worked for me??
and when shooting full charged load that cause the case to expand, there is a chance of case separation as it forms the new chamber??
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
as for why I used a separate chamber, it was to just get brass formed, and NOT spec MY rifle I planned to use it in, BUT darn close
and after that once loaded in my shooting rifle, it was then formed to MY chamber on THAT rifle
I simply used the extra chamber to fire form brass and NOT fill my barrel with corn meal!
there was a reason to my madness(as I guess you see it as??)
I learned this from Bobby Hart, of Hart Rifles A man that kinda knows a LOT about guns?? and wild cat calibers
been a good friend of his, his dad and his Grandfather(many moons ago when he was still with us)
and DON"T think it was bad advice or practice!
worked for me??
#26
and when shooting full charged load that cause the case to expand, there is a chance of case separation as it forms the new chamber??
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
as for why I used a separate chamber, it was to just get brass formed, and NOT spec MY rifle I planned to use it in, BUT darn close
and after that once loaded in my shooting rifle, it was then formed to MY chamber on THAT rifle
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
as for why I used a separate chamber, it was to just get brass formed, and NOT spec MY rifle I planned to use it in, BUT darn close
and after that once loaded in my shooting rifle, it was then formed to MY chamber on THAT rifle
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,730
I don't smoke crack there??
and when shooting full charged load that cause the case to expand, there is a chance of case separation as it forms the new chamber??
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
I learned this from Bobby Hart, of Hart Rifles A man that kinda knows a LOT about guns?? and wild cat calibers
been a good friend of his, his dad and his Grandfather(many moons ago when he was still with us)
and DON"T think it was bad advice or practice!
worked for me??
and when shooting full charged load that cause the case to expand, there is a chance of case separation as it forms the new chamber??
this isn't made up info
as for anneal brass YES
but again,
I am stating that fire forming NEW factory loaded ammo to a MOD chamber, , your NOT having the chance to anneal it, as its live loaded ammo!
I learned this from Bobby Hart, of Hart Rifles A man that kinda knows a LOT about guns?? and wild cat calibers
been a good friend of his, his dad and his Grandfather(many moons ago when he was still with us)
and DON"T think it was bad advice or practice!
worked for me??
If you are talking an AI chamber, it is headspaced .004" shorter than the parent case so there is no chance of separation due to excessive headspace, more separations occur in factory chambers due to folks unknowingly from incorrect die settings than in a custom min spec chamber.
RR
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,742
I was again talking about what I DID with my .30 hart and 300 wby caliber FACTORY ammo, and cases to get me MY brass for my .30 Hart
and IT was taught to me By Bobby Hart
been a long time friend of his most of my life!
so I am NOT talking AI chambers
or ALL wild cat calibers by any means
BUT the fact a chamber and a short bbl can be used to fire form brass, to get you fire formed brass??
this is a FACT< and again what I was saying I also DID, but it CAN be done on any caliber you are fire forming to MAKE brass
it will AGAIN NOT be fired formed to your exact Chamber, BUT it will be fire formed Brass of the caliber at hand
NOT sure why some folks like to be so???
to ONLY there way??
Life isn't that difficult if you keep an open mind!!
there are a lot of ways to make the same things in life many times??
and IT was taught to me By Bobby Hart
been a long time friend of his most of my life!
so I am NOT talking AI chambers
or ALL wild cat calibers by any means
BUT the fact a chamber and a short bbl can be used to fire form brass, to get you fire formed brass??
this is a FACT< and again what I was saying I also DID, but it CAN be done on any caliber you are fire forming to MAKE brass
it will AGAIN NOT be fired formed to your exact Chamber, BUT it will be fire formed Brass of the caliber at hand
NOT sure why some folks like to be so???
to ONLY there way??
Life isn't that difficult if you keep an open mind!!
there are a lot of ways to make the same things in life many times??
#29
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Indiana county, Pa
Posts: 681
25-06 is a good caliber for deer and varmits. not sure about the marlin rifle. mine was a Remington 700 and it is still killing deer. sold it to my brother for one of his boys. he still thanks me for that rifle. loaded down with 75 or 85 grain bullets will do a number on groundhogs. 117 grain bullets will do the same on deer. nosler partitions would be a good bullet for deer also although I never used them.