Model 70
12-23-2013, 09:35 AM
#11
Typical Buck
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It's a long shot but is it possible the cartridges may be defective and aren't grooved deep or wide enough for the extractor to grab ?
Are you shooting the same ammo as back when everything was fine?
I'm reaching here....
Are you shooting the same ammo as back when everything was fine?
I'm reaching here....
12-23-2013, 02:30 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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No it wasnt the same ammo, but I did try some of the same ammo. No difference. This bolt doesnt have the long extractor claw like my rugers do. Its a small claw that moves back and forth across the face of the bolt. When I first got the rifle I thought it was a push feed, but it grabs the shell as soon as it clears the magazine.
12-23-2013, 04:28 PM
#14
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I went by a buddy house and looked at his. Mine is a push feed and the pin that holds the extractor is either gone or broke off. Hopefully it will just have slipped out. I'll have to wait till I get home in the morning to see.
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12-23-2013, 04:34 PM
#15
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In your OP you stated it was a newer one with the control feed feature! Here is a quick paragraph that I thought I would do a C/P of because I used to put a cartridge in my pre 64 Model 70 30-06 by feeding it in with my fingers while holding down the others in the magazine until I slid the bolt forward so I would have an extra shell in the gun. I was told by a gunsmith not to do that because eventually I would screw up (bend or break) the extractor. The last part of this paragraph pretty well says the same thing. Since that discussion with the gunsmith I strictly load into the magazine with the number it's designed to hold and then load the top one into the gun the way it's designed for the extractor to grab and hold it. Here is the paragraph from an article on the difference between a push feed and controlled feed system that says the same thing the gunsmith told me in the last couple sentences:
In controlled feed bolt actions, called “Mauser type” actions in some instances, the base of the cartridge slips up and under the extractor from a magazine, and is held against the bolt face during insertion into the chamber. These extractors are also known as “claw” extractors and are relatively large – easily identified by the flat bar that runs along the outside of the bolt. This extractor sits in a groove along the action, and stays stationary as the bolt rotates. Because of its design, the cartridge base sits flush against the bolt face, but is not as fully supported at the chamber mouth as the push feed design. While it may be possible to chamber a round without first inserting it into the magazine, it is not reliable and can cause damage to the rifle or cartridge. It should be noted that Winchester has recently developed a “controlled round push feed” bolt action in specific calibers that can be fed individual rounds reliably.
In controlled feed bolt actions, called “Mauser type” actions in some instances, the base of the cartridge slips up and under the extractor from a magazine, and is held against the bolt face during insertion into the chamber. These extractors are also known as “claw” extractors and are relatively large – easily identified by the flat bar that runs along the outside of the bolt. This extractor sits in a groove along the action, and stays stationary as the bolt rotates. Because of its design, the cartridge base sits flush against the bolt face, but is not as fully supported at the chamber mouth as the push feed design. While it may be possible to chamber a round without first inserting it into the magazine, it is not reliable and can cause damage to the rifle or cartridge. It should be noted that Winchester has recently developed a “controlled round push feed” bolt action in specific calibers that can be fed individual rounds reliably.
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12-24-2013, 01:32 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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In your OP you stated it was a newer one with the control feed feature! Here is a quick paragraph that I thought I would do a C/P of because I used to put a cartridge in my pre 64 Model 70 30-06 by feeding it in with my fingers while holding down the others in the magazine until I slid the bolt forward so I would have an extra shell in the gun. I was told by a gunsmith not to do that because eventually I would screw up (bend or break) the extractor. The last part of this paragraph pretty well says the same thing. Since that discussion with the gunsmith I strictly load into the magazine with the number it's designed to hold and then load the top one into the gun the way it's designed for the extractor to grab and hold it. Here is the paragraph from an article on the difference between a push feed and controlled feed system that says the same thing the gunsmith told me in the last couple sentences:
In controlled feed bolt actions, called “Mauser type” actions in some instances, the base of the cartridge slips up and under the extractor from a magazine, and is held against the bolt face during insertion into the chamber. These extractors are also known as “claw” extractors and are relatively large – easily identified by the flat bar that runs along the outside of the bolt. This extractor sits in a groove along the action, and stays stationary as the bolt rotates. Because of its design, the cartridge base sits flush against the bolt face, but is not as fully supported at the chamber mouth as the push feed design. While it may be possible to chamber a round without first inserting it into the magazine, it is not reliable and can cause damage to the rifle or cartridge. It should be noted that Winchester has recently developed a “controlled round push feed” bolt action in specific calibers that can be fed individual rounds reliably.
In controlled feed bolt actions, called “Mauser type” actions in some instances, the base of the cartridge slips up and under the extractor from a magazine, and is held against the bolt face during insertion into the chamber. These extractors are also known as “claw” extractors and are relatively large – easily identified by the flat bar that runs along the outside of the bolt. This extractor sits in a groove along the action, and stays stationary as the bolt rotates. Because of its design, the cartridge base sits flush against the bolt face, but is not as fully supported at the chamber mouth as the push feed design. While it may be possible to chamber a round without first inserting it into the magazine, it is not reliable and can cause damage to the rifle or cartridge. It should be noted that Winchester has recently developed a “controlled round push feed” bolt action in specific calibers that can be fed individual rounds reliably.
12-24-2013, 02:18 PM
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Go on the Winchester website and you can find out when that rifle was made by matching up the serial number within the numbers that were made each year. Then you should know exactly what you're dealing with. Do you know approximately how old it is and how long have you had it? Mine was made in 1956. Here is the direct link to look yours up:
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
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12-24-2013, 04:02 PM
#18
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Go on the Winchester website and you can find out when that rifle was made by matching up the serial number within the numbers that were made each year. Then you should know exactly what you're dealing with. Do you know approximately how old it is and how long have you had it? Mine was made in 1956. Here is the direct link to look yours up:
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
