Why do so many hate the 30-06?
11-30-2009, 07:15 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WY
Posts: 2,056
Ever wonder how many "magnums" are sold to deer hunters who may, at best, be able to find the resources to hunt elk once or twice in a lifetime, let alone find enough spare coin to put a Kodiak hunt together?
Someone else said that the .30-06 is "jack of all trades, master of none". I think that pretty much nails it. If you have a .30-06, you have everything well in hand from deer on up through elk to moose. Yup, it might be a bit light for comfort on a charging grizzly (most often seen by hunters in movies and magazines), and it's on the heavy side for prairie dogs and coyotes.
If you own a .30-06 though, there's little need for anything larger on this continent. If anything, you'll want to fill out your battery with something smaller, like a .204 or .223. Guys will go into a gunshop yet and buy a .300-something-magnum and think they have the whole world covered, when in reality, they're not really any better off in the end than they'd have been with the simple, reliable, plain-jane, un-sexy, .30-06.
Otherwise, the singular prospect of having one rifle is very unappealing to many of us, regardless of the .30-06's many pros and few cons. Maybe that's why some folks don't like it - it takes away the excuse to go tell their significant other, "it's too (big)(little) and I need another rifle"?
Whatever. I own two .30-06s, as well as a .300-something-magnum, and two other calibers in three different rifles that do the same things the .30-06s will do. I have bigger rifles than .30 caliber. I like rifles. I like to have choices. But I certainly do not hate the .30-06. If I had to start my battery all over again, I'd keep just the .223, .243, .30-06, and .375. That way, I'd always have at least two rifles for every game or non-game species I wanted to pursue.
Someone else said that the .30-06 is "jack of all trades, master of none". I think that pretty much nails it. If you have a .30-06, you have everything well in hand from deer on up through elk to moose. Yup, it might be a bit light for comfort on a charging grizzly (most often seen by hunters in movies and magazines), and it's on the heavy side for prairie dogs and coyotes.
If you own a .30-06 though, there's little need for anything larger on this continent. If anything, you'll want to fill out your battery with something smaller, like a .204 or .223. Guys will go into a gunshop yet and buy a .300-something-magnum and think they have the whole world covered, when in reality, they're not really any better off in the end than they'd have been with the simple, reliable, plain-jane, un-sexy, .30-06.
Otherwise, the singular prospect of having one rifle is very unappealing to many of us, regardless of the .30-06's many pros and few cons. Maybe that's why some folks don't like it - it takes away the excuse to go tell their significant other, "it's too (big)(little) and I need another rifle"?
Whatever. I own two .30-06s, as well as a .300-something-magnum, and two other calibers in three different rifles that do the same things the .30-06s will do. I have bigger rifles than .30 caliber. I like rifles. I like to have choices. But I certainly do not hate the .30-06. If I had to start my battery all over again, I'd keep just the .223, .243, .30-06, and .375. That way, I'd always have at least two rifles for every game or non-game species I wanted to pursue.
12-01-2009, 01:20 PM
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: canada
Posts: 257
When I was 15 years old I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 30-06. That rifle has served me well for the last 33 years. I think that it's funny when people say that they've graduated from their 30-06 to some super magnum, I just graduated this year from mine to a Marlin 336SS in 30-30.
12-01-2009, 02:55 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 1,184
Ever wonder how many "magnums" are sold to deer hunters who may, at best, be able to find the resources to hunt elk once or twice in a lifetime, let alone find enough spare coin to put a Kodiak hunt together?
Someone else said that the .30-06 is "jack of all trades, master of none". I think that pretty much nails it. If you have a .30-06, you have everything well in hand from deer on up through elk to moose. Yup, it might be a bit light for comfort on a charging grizzly (most often seen by hunters in movies and magazines), and it's on the heavy side for prairie dogs and coyotes.
If you own a .30-06 though, there's little need for anything larger on this continent. If anything, you'll want to fill out your battery with something smaller, like a .204 or .223. Guys will go into a gunshop yet and buy a .300-something-magnum and think they have the whole world covered, when in reality, they're not really any better off in the end than they'd have been with the simple, reliable, plain-jane, un-sexy, .30-06.
Otherwise, the singular prospect of having one rifle is very unappealing to many of us, regardless of the .30-06's many pros and few cons. Maybe that's why some folks don't like it - it takes away the excuse to go tell their significant other, "it's too (big)(little) and I need another rifle"?
Whatever. I own two .30-06s, as well as a .300-something-magnum, and two other calibers in three different rifles that do the same things the .30-06s will do. I have bigger rifles than .30 caliber. I like rifles. I like to have choices. But I certainly do not hate the .30-06. If I had to start my battery all over again, I'd keep just the .223, .243, .30-06, and .375. That way, I'd always have at least two rifles for every game or non-game species I wanted to pursue.
Someone else said that the .30-06 is "jack of all trades, master of none". I think that pretty much nails it. If you have a .30-06, you have everything well in hand from deer on up through elk to moose. Yup, it might be a bit light for comfort on a charging grizzly (most often seen by hunters in movies and magazines), and it's on the heavy side for prairie dogs and coyotes.
If you own a .30-06 though, there's little need for anything larger on this continent. If anything, you'll want to fill out your battery with something smaller, like a .204 or .223. Guys will go into a gunshop yet and buy a .300-something-magnum and think they have the whole world covered, when in reality, they're not really any better off in the end than they'd have been with the simple, reliable, plain-jane, un-sexy, .30-06.
Otherwise, the singular prospect of having one rifle is very unappealing to many of us, regardless of the .30-06's many pros and few cons. Maybe that's why some folks don't like it - it takes away the excuse to go tell their significant other, "it's too (big)(little) and I need another rifle"?
Whatever. I own two .30-06s, as well as a .300-something-magnum, and two other calibers in three different rifles that do the same things the .30-06s will do. I have bigger rifles than .30 caliber. I like rifles. I like to have choices. But I certainly do not hate the .30-06. If I had to start my battery all over again, I'd keep just the .223, .243, .30-06, and .375. That way, I'd always have at least two rifles for every game or non-game species I wanted to pursue.
Well said.
12-01-2009, 03:47 PM
#25
Banned
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 824
That is the REAL question. So many times on this site, people will ask about "best cartridge" so on and so on. Invariably, the 30-06 gets poo-pooed. It's my baby, just seeing the consensus. Clearly the haters are not as prevalent as once thought.
12-01-2009, 04:58 PM
#26
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
I think when people answer the "best cartridge" question the reason they invariably leave out the 30-06 is because the 30-06 really isn't best at any one specific thing. For instance the 25-06 would be a better antelope cartridge. Or the 338 Win mag a better elk and moose cartridge. Or the 375H&H a better grizzly bear cartridge. Although the 30-06 will certainly get the job done in any of these circumstances.
IMO, the 30-06 ranks as the absolute "best" one cartridge to do everything cartridge.
That is why I bought my son a 30-06. It will do everything he will likely ever ask of it to do. If he needs (wants) a larger or smaller cartridge aimed at specific sized animals that he may hunt in the future I figure he can buy it himself if he can afford an elk, moose, sheep, what ever hunt. If a person is to have only one rifle it should be chambered in 30-06. Nothing else will fill the one rifle hunter as well as a rifle chambered in 30-06.
IMO, the 30-06 ranks as the absolute "best" one cartridge to do everything cartridge.
That is why I bought my son a 30-06. It will do everything he will likely ever ask of it to do. If he needs (wants) a larger or smaller cartridge aimed at specific sized animals that he may hunt in the future I figure he can buy it himself if he can afford an elk, moose, sheep, what ever hunt. If a person is to have only one rifle it should be chambered in 30-06. Nothing else will fill the one rifle hunter as well as a rifle chambered in 30-06.
12-01-2009, 05:55 PM
#27
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I think when people answer the "best cartridge" question the reason they invariably leave out the 30-06 is because the 30-06 really isn't best at any one specific thing. For instance the 25-06 would be a better antelope cartridge. Or the 338 Win mag a better elk and moose cartridge. Or the 375H&H a better grizzly bear cartridge. Although the 30-06 will certainly get the job done in any of these circumstances.
IMO, the 30-06 ranks as the absolute "best" one cartridge to do everything cartridge.
That is why I bought my son a 30-06. It will do everything he will likely ever ask of it to do. If he needs (wants) a larger or smaller cartridge aimed at specific sized animals that he may hunt in the future I figure he can buy it himself if he can afford an elk, moose, sheep, what ever hunt. If a person is to have only one rifle it should be chambered in 30-06. Nothing else will fill the one rifle hunter as well as a rifle chambered in 30-06.
IMO, the 30-06 ranks as the absolute "best" one cartridge to do everything cartridge.
That is why I bought my son a 30-06. It will do everything he will likely ever ask of it to do. If he needs (wants) a larger or smaller cartridge aimed at specific sized animals that he may hunt in the future I figure he can buy it himself if he can afford an elk, moose, sheep, what ever hunt. If a person is to have only one rifle it should be chambered in 30-06. Nothing else will fill the one rifle hunter as well as a rifle chambered in 30-06.
12-02-2009, 08:52 AM
#28
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323
Never hated the .30-06...........
My first .30-06 was bought at Sears & Roebuck in 1953.........It was a Husqvarna Mauser made for Sears......My father paid $99.99 for it!
Like some have mentioned, over the years I have had many different calibers in rifles........I used the .270 for many years also and then bought a Ruger 6.5mmSwede and now a 7mm-08......
Also have 7mm Mag, .243 and .30-30's.........
My first .30-06 was bought at Sears & Roebuck in 1953.........It was a Husqvarna Mauser made for Sears......My father paid $99.99 for it!
Like some have mentioned, over the years I have had many different calibers in rifles........I used the .270 for many years also and then bought a Ruger 6.5mmSwede and now a 7mm-08......
Also have 7mm Mag, .243 and .30-30's.........
12-02-2009, 04:28 PM
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern PA USA
Posts: 1,398
I think people are just bored with it.
That would be my guess. Hard to talk up the new short mags, or short cartridges like the 7mm/08 or 308 without saying the '06 doesn't do this, or kicks too much or something. I love mine, and unless I hunt griz or brown bear (highly unlikely), I can do the rest of my hunting with it. Mine is a Husqvarna M-8000 with a Brown fiberglass stock. Weighs 7# loaded and with a 2x7 Leupold. That 1 in 12 twist must help it, cause I can feed it loads that gave some of my other '06s fits. I can get 3100+ with 150s and my favorite all round load is a 165 gr. boat tail Barnes X-bullet that it shoots at 3000 with no pressure signs. What else do I need other than a smaller gun for coyotes or something like that?
Had to shoot mine in after failing
in Archery season this year. First 3 shots, centered 2" high and a 3/4" group. What's to hate?
Had to shoot mine in after failing
in Archery season this year. First 3 shots, centered 2" high and a 3/4" group. What's to hate?