7-30 waters purchase?
10-06-2009, 09:38 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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7-30 waters purchase?
My buddy asked me the other day what I thought of the 7-30 waters cartridge. He saw a used contender for 450$(unscoped I think) and thought it was good deal. He doesnt handload. I told him that ammo would be hard to find ,and expensive if he did , and even if he started handloading, brass would still be hard to come by and expensive. To be polite, I told him to buy what makes him happy, but suggested he look at a used superblackhawk or smith in 44mag, since I think its head and shoulders above the waters for killing power, and ammo is much cheaper and readily available. I dont get the waters caliber at all, a 30-30 necked down to 7mm ? I can think of no reason why the 708 or mauser wouldnt be a 10X better choice , but that said, I have no idea what the point of chambering a CF rifle cartrige in a 12-14" handgun is? Seems like recoil and report would be unbearable ,and the loss of velocity would be substanical. How far can you shoot a hangun acuratly anyway? I know its his $ but I just was curiuos to what others thought?
10-07-2009, 05:02 AM
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Fork Horn
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No 1st hand experiance with 7-30 but I always thought the idea behind it was to be primarily used in Contender type hunting handguns. Personally I don't get the 7-30 Waters concept either. Provides a bit more range and less recoil than a 30-30 and I would think much less recoil than a Contender chambered in 7mm-08.
I would think that your friend should be able to neck down 30-30 brass but the reloading experts on here would probably be the people to ask.
I would think that your friend should be able to neck down 30-30 brass but the reloading experts on here would probably be the people to ask.
10-08-2009, 09:05 AM
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I've had a Waters since the first day one arrived here in my hometown. I still have two.
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
Factory ammo is hard to come by but effective but this is a handloaders dream. 30-30 brass is cheap and easy to find. Neck it down, load it up and shoot it. Even fire form loads of "deer effective".
In a handgun of 14" like the Contender your effective range depends on your ability. I have shot antelope with mine out past 165 yds. and often show much better than most rifle shooters at any rifle range.
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
Factory ammo is hard to come by but effective but this is a handloaders dream. 30-30 brass is cheap and easy to find. Neck it down, load it up and shoot it. Even fire form loads of "deer effective".
In a handgun of 14" like the Contender your effective range depends on your ability. I have shot antelope with mine out past 165 yds. and often show much better than most rifle shooters at any rifle range.
10-08-2009, 10:24 AM
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Well I cant argue w/ that kind of performance , seems like a great gun for a western pistol hunting enthusiast. I also didnt realize the contender and encore frames were different in anything but name. However ,I still think a 44 revolver would be more practical for a brush hunting (short range, not brush busting) novice handgun hunter. Especially one that doesnt handload.
10-08-2009, 04:14 PM
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I've had a Waters since the first day one arrived here in my hometown. I still have two.
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
Factory ammo is hard to come by but effective but this is a handloaders dream. 30-30 brass is cheap and easy to find. Neck it down, load it up and shoot it. Even fire form loads of "deer effective".
In a handgun of 14" like the Contender your effective range depends on your ability. I have shot antelope with mine out past 165 yds. and often show much better than most rifle shooters at any rifle range.
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
Factory ammo is hard to come by but effective but this is a handloaders dream. 30-30 brass is cheap and easy to find. Neck it down, load it up and shoot it. Even fire form loads of "deer effective".
In a handgun of 14" like the Contender your effective range depends on your ability. I have shot antelope with mine out past 165 yds. and often show much better than most rifle shooters at any rifle range.
10-09-2009, 11:15 AM
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Fork Horn
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I've had a Waters since the first day one arrived here in my hometown. I still have two.
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
First of all a Contender is not capable of handling the pressure generated by a 7-08 thus the 7-30 Waters was born. It is easy to load for, rediculously accurate, easy on the shoulder and drops deer like lightning. Ya get that ?
It was being used as a example of a more main stream round that would give better performance than necked down 30-30.
A person who wants to hunt with a handgun has better and more popluar rounds to choose from.
So NO I still don't get the concept but if you're happy with it, good for you.
10-09-2009, 11:59 AM
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Fork Horn
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If you read the original post, the person DOES NOT reload and implies that his friend has limtied or no handgun hunting experiance. So yes, shooting a more popular round would have advantages.
I like to hunt with things other than the top sellers too and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't get the concept behind a lot different rounds, the 7-30 is just one of them. I'm not saying it doesn't work. However, there are situations when using something more mainstream is a better choice.
I like to hunt with things other than the top sellers too and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't get the concept behind a lot different rounds, the 7-30 is just one of them. I'm not saying it doesn't work. However, there are situations when using something more mainstream is a better choice.
10-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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X2, especially these days . Incase anyone hasnt noticed theres a bit of a ammo and component shortage out there. No its not bad enough yet to stop one from shooting altogether but id rather have a boring vanilla caliber that I can find components or ammo for cheaper and easier than a cool unique one , and the deer dont know the difference anyway.
