RugerM77.270

Start shooting deer with that 7mm-08 and you put your 243 in the back of the safe.

hometheaterman

Yeah honestly it seems like everything I buy or have used from Remington guns or even other stuff has some kind of issue that should have been caught in quality control. Not everything but a large portion of stuff from them that I've seen or used has. I'm not at all a Remington fan. There seem to be much much better brands of guns out there. The one Remington I'd like to have is a Remington 1100.

elgallo114

Cerebus Capital Management, L.P. now owns Remington. They bought Bushmaster also. Hence the R-15 and R-25.

Doe Dumper

That 7-08 is a gem ipsc... you'll love it.

Steve863

I surely would agree with this. I will never understand the people who think a .243 is good for young shooters either. The 7mm-08 would be my choice in this category. If anything a .243 should be shot at deer by only very experienced shooters since there isn't much margin for error in the hands of a novice.

jeepkid

They also own/owned Daimler Chrysler...and Remington just bought Dakota Arms...

ipscshooter

I've never really understood this whole "margin for error" argument as it relates to guys who like to bash the .243 ... Where I hunt, a "big" deer weighs 150 lbs, and they're rarely, if ever shot at distances much beyond 100 yards. I haven't had a problem with poor penetration with my .243, usually getting complete pass-throughs. The only time I didn't have a complete penetration was on a 160 lb buck, shot through both shoulders. The bullet wound up just under the skin after breaking the off-side shoulder. Shot placement/accuracy is of paramount importance. And, particularly with a new shooter, a rifle with 9 ft lbs of recoil energy is more comfortable to practice with than a rifle with 13 ft lbs of recoil energy... The .284 bullet gives you a whole 41/1000ths of an inch additional "margin for error."

I got the 7mm-08, not because I felt it would give me some magical advantage against the local deer herd or because I was dissatisfied with my .243. I got it, simply, because I wanted one. I already had a 7mm Rem. Mag., which, with the MR recoil rounds I use, is a virtual twin of the 7mm-08, (and, with which I took 2 shots at a buck last fall, neither of which gave complete penetration, and that was on an emaciated 90 lb buck...). The recoil of the 7mm Mag. MR rounds is noticeably more than a .243 and, while not too uncomfortable for me, I can imagine that they might not be "fun" for an 11 or 12 year old who is practicing with his first deer rifle. I'd much rather have a kid shooting with his eyes open, picking his shot and hitting his target with a .243, than using something heavier, with more power, but also more recoil, and gut-shooting the deer because of a flinch.

For the positive comments, thanks. I'll try to remember to report back after I've had a chance to take it to the range.

For the guys who took this as an opportunity to bash Remington for how horrible you think they are... Why? It's like if someone posts a pic of the first deer he ever shot, and guys bash him... "why'd you shoot one that was so young" or "why didn't you shoot a doe if it's just for meat" yada yada yada... If you think Remington sucks, fine... Start a thread titled "Remington sucks". Why pee on my little parade? I have yet to have a bad experience with any of the Remingtons I've owned over the last 35 years.

nchawkeye

You'll like that 7mm-08, my brother has had one for 20 years or so...Of course he still has a long ways to go to kill as many as I have with my .243...

Buy a .243, use it during the summer for crows, coyotes, groundhogs and other varmits and you won't have to worry about this "margin"...You'll learn to hit what you shoot at...I've even taken care of a few bears eating my peanuts with the dang thing...

On the barrel...Funny how we are, I rebarreled mine a few years ago and went from a 22 inch to a 24 inch...With a short action, a 24 inch is about the same overall length as a 22 inch long action...Anything less than 22 seems too dang short for me...

ipscshooter

Yeah, as for the barrel length, I guess it's just personal preference based on the type of hunting I do. I'm on a lease where we are required to hunt from elevated box blinds. It's much easier for my son to get his Model 7 Youth (.243 ) into action without bumping it on something, than it is for me with a "full-sized" rifle.

He started out shooting jack rabbits with it. Deer are pretty easy if you can hit those...

Steve863

[QUOTE=ipscshooter;3417981 Shot placement/accuracy is of paramount importance. [/QUOTE]


Yes it is, but we all know that things don't always turn out exactly the way we want them, thus a 7mm-08 will be a better choice in my opinion. You can shoot a .243 all you want and continue to kill deer with it, but I don't think many people will argue that a .243 is a BETTER choice than a 7mm-08 or .308, or .270 or .30-06, etc. You surely don't need a .300 Weatherby to kill deer, but I surely don't want to go to the lower end of the spectrum either when something in the middle would be some added insurance when things don't turn out just the way we would want them.