bigcountry

I never could get them to group. But I wouldn' t have any reservations on using them for deer. I think the bullistic tip is ideal for deer with 308 velocities. 30-06 speeds or greater, they might fragment. But I bet the deer will go down.

I get bullistic tips to group, just not the silvertips.

Ballistictip

I' ve never used the Winchesters but have been shooting Nosler Ballistictips for years. Never had a deer go more than 50 yards and the majority dropped on the spot. Most shots were under 50 yards with 130 grain NBT' s at 3100 fps out of a .270. Always had complete pass through with an entry hole the size of a pencil and exit hole the size of your fist. I generally shoot about 3" below the lower part of the backstrap which takes out both lungs and turns them into jelly. I' ve had much better luck with this shot placement and less meat damage than shoulder shots.

I did switch to Hornady Custom SST' s this past season mainly because the guy I had loading my BT' s sold all his equipment. So far the SST' s have been just as accurate and seem to do just as good of a job.

montex

hey Stubblejumperl, or anyone else, what can you tell me about lubalox coating?

stubblejumper

Lubalox coating is like a wax and is the coating used on many rimfire bullets.

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tealboy

Interesting comments. My personal experience this year was, the entry hole was larger than the exit. Perhaps the entry was appx size of silver dollar and exit since of a nickel. Seemed kinda strange to me. Guys at the camp would point at entry and say, boy, look at the exit... There is no doubt as to which one was the entry vs. exit b/c I watched the deer for 10 minutes and know exactly how he was standing etc. Point is, bullet seemed to expand rapidly upon impact. Of course, the part that matters is, did you get him. The answer is yes, and he only went about 30 yds. The internal organs were destroyed and it was like jello from all of the blood clots, so the shot was devastating and provided a nice ethical and clean kill. Still, I originated this post b/c i was not sure if my experience was typical or not. I sure see signs of almost excessively rapid expansion. By the way, shot was 95 yds with the .308.

LARRY338

The problem as Ive experienced it with ballistic tips is that they will produce very good terminal performance most of the time, but very poor results on occassion. Not completely consistent. Ive seen the exploding bullet failure enough to make me leery of using these bullets on game. I dont think it has anything to do with range either. I saw a small buck shot right in the middle of the ribcage with a 280 using 150 gr and the bullet exited in three pieces. That shot was about 50 yards. Folks who have only shot a few deer with these bullets might think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but sooner or later you will get one that just flies completely apart on impact. Of course, its hard to shoot a deer with any bullet of 150 grains or more and not kill it provided you hit it somewhere in the front half. So the debate will live on forever. Shooters like to hunt with these bullets because they are so accurate. But, extreme accuracy is perhaps worth slightly less sometimes than a bullet with the integrity to penetrate.

NorthJeff

How would the silvertip compare to the " boat-tail" design? as far as integrity, penetration, etc..

I' ve used them in a Federal premium load to harvest approximately 15 whitetails and have never had any problems.

What would be th main differences?

Jeff....U.P. of Michigan

stubblejumper

The ballistic silvertip is a boattail bullet.

bigbulls

The ballistic tip and the ballistic silver tip is the same bullet except the silver tip has a whiteish tip and the coating. Other than that they are exactly the same.

Winchester also makes a silver tip (not a ballistic silver tip) That is a lead nosed bullet with an alluminum cap over the lead to prevent tip deformation.