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What are resonable groups to expect from a Browning BAR? (Updated with Pictures on the 4th Page)

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Old 02-01-2009, 04:17 PM
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Ok here are the pictures. I said. I got slightly better groups with the Fusions but not great by any means with any of them.

These are all at 100 yards and I borrowed some homemade sand bags from a buddy. They worked pretty well. I liked them more than I thought they would. I now think I want a set of sandbags. Each line on the target is a inch away from the next one.

I was shooting 2-3 in a row then letting the barrel cool.

These are the first two shots with the Remington blue box ones.


I was impressed however, it went down hill from here. These were the first two shots off of a clean barrel.



Somehow I then managed these two right around 3" apart.


Now not too happy.

Now I picked a smaller target since it has one in each corner. Here is where I shot at it.


As you can see two were slightly lower and 2 slightly higher. Not groups as tight as I'd like but then again I'm starting to think this is about all this gun can do.


Now onto the Fusions in 150 grain.

At first. I think these were the first two.


Not too bad. So I then shot two more at this same bullseye.

Here is the next picture showing all 4 shots with the Fusions.


As you can see I'm getting slightly better groups with the Fusion but still not great groups.

Are these on par for this thing or absolutely horrible? I'm starting to not be as bothered by it as honestly with those groups is I miss a deer it's my fault. I don't think I could headshot a squirrel but honestly I didn't buy it to shoot squirrels so I'm starting to think that it does fine for what I bought it for. As lets face it with either of these rounds if I miss a deer It's my fault. Honestly I could probably even comfortably shoot one in the head and hit it but I still don't think I'd take that chance. I guess I just want holes touching on each shot but I may have to give up that. Other than it not shooting as tight of groups as I'd like I really like the gun. I'm also a little worried if it does this at 100 yards what's it going to do at 300 or so?

Do you guys think I should be etiher sending it into Browning or have a gunsmith look at it and check it over is are these groups fine? It may slightly be me but at the same time it's not fully and I'm not sure that much of it is as I could hold it pretty still with the sandbags. Still enough I could shoot branches off a tree with my .22 that are about half an inch max in round. So I know it's not fully me but it might be me pulling slightly. I've had someone else shoot it in the past and they had similar groups too. What do you guys think now that you can see what the groups look like?
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:02 AM
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Default RE: What are resonable groups to expect from a Browning BAR?

I would try some 165 grain rounds as well as corelockts. I have a 308 shortrac that will shoot sub MOA with Hornady 165 BTSP's. IT shoots about 1.5" groups with Remington 150 Grain Corelokts. Also, let somebody else shoot it and see how it performs. I wouldn't send it in yet.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:37 AM
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I would try some 165 grain rounds as well as corelockts. I have a 308 shortrac that will shoot sub MOA with Hornady 165 BTSP's. IT shoots about 1.5" groups with Remington 150 Grain Corelokts. Also, let somebody else shoot it and see how it performs. I wouldn't send it in yet.
I have some Core Lockts in 165 grain I've tried and they don't do well at all. I had bad experiences with Remington shells so I don't particularly like them and the gun didn't seem to like the 165 grain ones I tried at all.

I used to shoot 165 grain Winchester Soft Points but they got to be hard to find around here as they were always sold out. I never actually shot them trying to get a group though. Just got the scope close and hunted with it. I don't know how they grouped. I tried some 150 grain Winchester later and they did okay but not that great.

I shot the 150 grain Winchester Silvertips. Not the ballistics but the regular silvertips and it shot a hole at 50 yards like I said where it was just one big hole about 1" after 6 shots. I couldn't figure out how I was missing so I walked up there and it was a big hole and you could count where six bullets went through it. This was in a buddy's vise type thing like a lead sled. Not exactly but similar. It was also at 50 yards. He doesn't have a 100 yard target anymore as the wind blew the stand for the target down and it's also at an akward position so you couldn't use the vise if that's the word anyway.

I can't get these to group well at 100 yards shooting at our house. I had a buddy shoot it too. This was trying to use 150 grain Winchester Ballistic Silvertips and he had the same problem I did with them going everywhere. He put one dead center in the bulleye. Then one right there with it then 2 about 3-4" off. Well, I put one way off and he thought it was me so he shot and his was way off on up there with mine. That's when we thought the scope was bad. I think it may have been. So we changed that and got it to work better but still couldn't get decent groups. So that's when I tried several kinds of ammo. 150 grain Winchester Power Points, 165 Grain Remington Core Lockts, 150 grain Winchester Silvertips, 150 Grain Winchester Ballistic tips, 150 grain Federal Fusions, and now these 150 grain Federal soft points are what I've tried. I can't seem to find Hornady ammo anywhere anymore. 30-06 ammo in general is hard to find around here now.

My buddy was only there when using Winchester Ballistic Silvertips but he said he was wondering if something wasn't wrong with the gun. He is a better shot than me. Another buddy shot it and got groups about like I am with the Fusions whom is a excellent shot however, I'm not sure if he tried to get perfect groups or was just trying to get the scope set close for me. He told me it shot fine and close enough to kill deer so to just shoot it. His groups might have been just a tad bit smaller but still were not super tight.
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Old 02-07-2009, 08:55 PM
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Default RE: What are resonable groups to expect from a Browning BAR?

You might be squezing the forearm. Not good if you won't the best accuracy.

My 1973 Bar in 30-06 really likes the 165gr Sierra load from Federal.
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:37 AM
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You might be squezing the forearm. Not good if you won't the best accuracy.

My 1973 Bar in 30-06 really likes the 165gr Sierra load from Federal.
Nope not squeezing the foram as I don't hold it tight like that. Well, most of the time I don't I've tried both.

I haven't tried the Sierra Game Kings. Is that what you are referring to? I've never seen them in a store so just never gotten them to try. Infact I'm not even really sure what the box looks like. I have heard great things about them though.
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