uncle matt

I read somewhere that either Toro, Lawn-Boy or Snapper was coming out with a new line of ammo to address this exact problem!

I guess we' ll just have to wait and see what the magazine reviews say?

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propmahn

id stick with the ammo youve been using, if it aint broke dont fix it. 165gr is a good bullet weight for deer so unless you are looking for an excuse to shoot more then id stay with the 165s

NorthJeff

Sounds like great advice. I have my new rifle now and will keep the old one just the way it is, knowing it is very accurate and ready to go.

Jeff...U.P. of Michigan

eldeguello

No modern small arms are " brush buckers" . This is an old wives tale. Going to a heavier bullet will not transform your ' 06 into something that does not exist. Stay with the accurate load you have always used.

BigBore1895

30-06 is a great round. However, if you are in search of a great brush gun, there is none better than the Marlin 45/70 Guide gun. Have you ever heard of a 405 grain bullet deflecting? www.garrettcartridges.com has stories about people shooting through trees to harvest game, through trees. It will take anything, has incredible knockdown power, and it will not fragment because the bullets are cast or not expanding bullets, because .45 caliber has enough bore size to open a great wound channel without it. Keep the 06 for long shots, grab a marlin for everything else.

frizzellr

HELLO? Yes, did you bother reading any of the above posts? They actually proved in more than one test that the 45-70 was one of the worst deflecting cartridges. There was an article on it a few years back in American Rifleman, and one in Guns and Ammo and I believe even one in Outdoor Life or Field and Stream. At any rate all bullets deflect. As I said before even a 12 gauge slug will deflect. There is no such thing as a brush cartridge. Never was, never will be.

bigbulls

Here is what Petersons Hunting said.

The 308 and 30-30,s chances of puting a bullet into a deer chest if the deer is 10 yards behind the brush was random at best.

Virtually all bullets from a 338mag struck the bullseye

44mag 280gr. LBT finished a close second to the 338 but the 300 grain soft points were unreliable and the 325gr. hard cast flat points wanderd

45-70 Garret 415 grain soft points @ 1700fps hit the black but some tumbled wide

12 gague with .735 hard lead balls @ 1300fps stayed intact and almost all hit in the general vacinity of the bulls eye.

" while some calibers might increase your odds of hitting a target that' s obstructed by brush, none out there is trusty enough to take a chance on."

In other words wait for a clear shot!!

BTRACK

Key to me it the thread the bullet shot for a brush gun. I have several of the traditional " brush guns" ... but would rather bet on a clear 3-6" hole and a solid rest than breaking brush.

Low power enough scope to give you the ability to shoot at close targets and get good target aquisition but clear enough - and with enough practice to thread the needle when needed. A good brush gun is a gun that you practice the hell out of to me.... Instinctive aiming, target aquisition, target framing and the shot.

I passed a shot on " blondy" a few years back in WY, a large 180+ class muley..standing perfectly still with an opening, but shooting a 300WM @ the time - wasn' t confident that the end point trajectory was doable with the window opening and range even with a perfect rest. One option on this last day buck might have been to pick the spot and " brush bust it through" ... beleive with the buck only 1' or less behind the bush, I' d have gotten him but did' t shoot. Waited for the clear shot that never came.

There have been other studies about deflection and some suggest that a target close - less than 6 ft from the deflection point has a good chance at getting hit... but I' m not willing to take that chance = rather use a scope and practice threading the needle so it' s a judgement call.

There was another study done suggesting that rate of twist and velocity has much more to do with " brush busting" capability than weight of round. Simply, a spiral thrown football is much harder to deflect it' s intended path than one trown with less spiral or outright tumble. Think of the bullet pass from a good quarterback deflected by a hand vs a tumbling thrown or kicked ball in the same situation.

So - maybe a rifle with a higher rate of twist on the barrel can deliver more reliability regarding " brush" - but again.. learn to " kill" the head of tablespoon in a hole at 100 yards and pick your most accurate load from my standpoint.

Also - much harder to stop deflect a faster moving object from going forward anyway... maybe why the 22.250 did well in the tests mensioned? Guess the same could be said about weight... tough to derail a freight train!

frizzellr

The 22-250 Rem did well in the test because they had problems getting the bullet to get the dowel rods they were using to simulate brush.