charlie brown

Length: 1-9/16", 34mm
Diameter: 11/32", 9mm
Shoulder angle: approx 45 deg.
Neck length: 7/32", 6mm
Neck diameter: .223 cal.

These are about as close as I can get with a tape measure. I don't have a micrometer or a loading manual as I don't reload. Thanks a lot for the replies!

Edited by - charlie brown on 01/22/2002 16:40:56

frizzellr

My guess would be a 221 Remington Fireball made from 223 brass.

Herman_and_bill

the head stamp is 10 years too soon for a 223 case
except for the length I'd say its a reformed 30 carbine

BigEd

Darn it! I can't remember the cartridge name but I believe Iver Johnson? or Universal made a M-1 carbine variant in it. Cases do predate the military .223 by quite some time. AH HA! might have found it or a close cousin, 5.7mm Johnson/Spitfire but I don't have the specs on the cartridge. But it's .14mm bigger. Here's anotherone I dug up .22/30 Carbine, I believe Plainfield made some M-1 Carbines in it before Iver-Johnson toke over.

Edited by - BigEd on 01/23/2002 01:01:36

Edited by - BigEd on 01/24/2002 17:49:13

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frizzellr

Are you sure that is a 53 and not a 63 on the case?

223 Rem = 5.56 NATO= 5.56X45mm

BigEd

Without actualy seeing the case I'm 99% certain it's the 22/30-Carbine. But why is someone leaving the brass on the ground? Sounds like somebody inherited the gun and a bunch of rounds for it and dosen't know that they'll have to make thier own brass when all that loaded ammo is gone. My only other guess would be some Soviet 5.45mm that happens to have a head-stamp that looks sorta like LC 53, but that stuff is usualy steel cased with a laquer coating.

Edited by - BigEd on 01/24/2002 22:48:42

Webcicle

Wasn't there a .22 Jet ??

The military .223 case is used alot for wildcats because the brass is a little tougher and can take the remolding process.

Ruger-Redhawk

webcicle yes there was a Remington 22"JET" cartridge but the case is tapered at it goes up to the bullet. It doesn't have the shoulder like the case in question does.It's been a long time since I saw a 22 Jet but I remember how the case looked. I would say it's a military round by the headstamp. The question is what has it been made into. I'm sure it some kind of wildcat cartridge made from a 223. Ruger Redhawk

BigEd

The brass is to old to be military contract .223. The AR-15/M-16 was in developmental stage in 1956 and was not standardized as "the" US service rifle until 1967. It is probably the .22-30Carbine.