What group size is your rifle shooting?
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
Posts: 154
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
My Sako 75 in 300 Win Mag puts pretty much everything into .75" to 1.5" and that's acceptable hunting accuracy for me. I love the bug hole groups at 100yds or the sub 2" groups at 325yds but it doesn't do that consistently. What it does do consistently is print decent groups at the same POI and it hasn't let me down yet.
#23
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Watts Ok Watts,Ok,USA
Posts: 38
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
If you're shooting a light cotoured barrel the normal procedure is to shoot 3 shot groups. Heavier barrels can stand 5 shot groups without opening up the groups. If your first three shots group well then the group opens up on the 4th or 5th shot then you're having barrel heating problems. My Ruger 77 270 shoots handloads into 1" groups after some glass bedding and trigger work. Right out of the box with Remington 130 Core-Lokt's the accuracy was horrible, 3"-4" groups.
#27
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location:
Posts: 6,357
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
I think the guy who said most shooters are not qualified to shoot moa consistently is correct. Also, I'm guessing I'm not in the qualified group. I find it hard to consistently shoot a group of 5 that I'm satisfied I didn't pull just a little bit.
I have found, limited though my shooting ability may be, that my rifles shoot differently with different factory loads. My .25-06 shoots reasonably well with Hornady Custom ammo but poorly with several other kinds of ammo. I can keep my groups under about 1.5" with the Hornady but find that I can't do better than 2.5" or even 3.5" with some other ammo. As I understand it, this is not an indication of the poor quality or variability of this other ammo, but just an instance of a rifle having a particular resonant frequency which agrees with some ammo and not with others. In another .25-06 rifle the Hornady Custom ammo may perform poorly and one of the loads that performs poorly in my rifle may be perfect in another rifle. So go try about 5 different commercial loads in your rifle.
Of course, if you hand load you can use fire-formed brass and tune your load to your rifle. I don't reload, but I've been attracted to this aspect of reloading -- tuning loads to shoot very well in each of my rifles.
I have found, limited though my shooting ability may be, that my rifles shoot differently with different factory loads. My .25-06 shoots reasonably well with Hornady Custom ammo but poorly with several other kinds of ammo. I can keep my groups under about 1.5" with the Hornady but find that I can't do better than 2.5" or even 3.5" with some other ammo. As I understand it, this is not an indication of the poor quality or variability of this other ammo, but just an instance of a rifle having a particular resonant frequency which agrees with some ammo and not with others. In another .25-06 rifle the Hornady Custom ammo may perform poorly and one of the loads that performs poorly in my rifle may be perfect in another rifle. So go try about 5 different commercial loads in your rifle.
Of course, if you hand load you can use fire-formed brass and tune your load to your rifle. I don't reload, but I've been attracted to this aspect of reloading -- tuning loads to shoot very well in each of my rifles.
#28
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
first 5 rounds I ever put through one of my swede mausers. 1st shot I pulled to the left because the trigger was a lot lighter than I expected, the next 4 went into 3/4." Did I mention that this was with iron sights?
No I can't duplicate those results- I'm typically a 1.5moa shooter with irons but that is getting worse as my eyesight is getting 'older'
I do have 7 or 8 rifles that will shoot that well ofbetter scoped- a remington .308, a Swedish M41B sniper, and a 1/2 dozen Swiss K31s.
#29
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 290
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
My Savage 111 / 30-06 shoots more or less at the MOA. The 165 gr bullets are a bit tighter than the 150 gr. All of that is nice but is it really usefull? The question is how well will you be able to shoot from an improvised position (no bench while hunting) when you see the caribou at 200 yds or a deer at 80 yards. I am happy as long as I can get a 5" group at 300 yards on the field with a high probability.
#30
RE: What group size is your rifle shooting?
ORIGINAL: savage3006
My Savage 111 / 30-06 shoots more or less at the MOA. The 165 gr bullets are a bit tighter than the 150 gr. All of that is nice but is it really usefull? The question is how well will you be able to shoot from an improvised position (no bench while hunting) when you see the caribou at 200 yds or a deer at 80 yards. I am happy as long as I can get a 5" group at 300 yards on the field with a high probability.
My Savage 111 / 30-06 shoots more or less at the MOA. The 165 gr bullets are a bit tighter than the 150 gr. All of that is nice but is it really usefull? The question is how well will you be able to shoot from an improvised position (no bench while hunting) when you see the caribou at 200 yds or a deer at 80 yards. I am happy as long as I can get a 5" group at 300 yards on the field with a high probability.