What's with the bias against Weatherby??
08-09-2007, 04:05 PM
#11
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
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RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
ORIGINAL: tempehunter
OH, so does weatherby have freebores? is it good to have or not???
All new info to me!!
thx
OH, so does weatherby have freebores? is it good to have or not???
All new info to me!!
thx
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08-09-2007, 04:30 PM
#12
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: northeast, North Dakota
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RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
My dad just traded off his weatherby 257 mark 5 for an A-bolt in 25-06. The weatherby was fine, but he just doesn't need. Costs too much and the 25-06 is a little more usefull to him.
08-09-2007, 04:38 PM
#13
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RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
ORIGINAL: tempehunter
so the primary complaints are lugs, and the guns not being very accurate. The lugs part I can't argue with, all I know is you pullthe trigger (which is adjustable) and the pin hits the primer and the gun is fired, the lugs affect it how? I just don't know. As far as the guns not being accurate, this is a first, mine shoot lights out and they are only vanguards. If some one can do it cheaper than 430$ then go right ahead. But how accurate do you need your shots to be? I shoot 1-inchgroups at 100 yds. useing sand bags. At 300yds they are all about the size of an orange. I guess i just don't understand, but I will say shoot what makes you happy, and I do appreciate the responces, please keep them coming!!!!
Good luck to everyone this season and stay safe out there!!!
P.S. I will be sighting in my new 257 Wby Mag next week fitted with a Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14X42 and can't wait I'll let ya'll know how it goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so the primary complaints are lugs, and the guns not being very accurate. The lugs part I can't argue with, all I know is you pullthe trigger (which is adjustable) and the pin hits the primer and the gun is fired, the lugs affect it how? I just don't know. As far as the guns not being accurate, this is a first, mine shoot lights out and they are only vanguards. If some one can do it cheaper than 430$ then go right ahead. But how accurate do you need your shots to be? I shoot 1-inchgroups at 100 yds. useing sand bags. At 300yds they are all about the size of an orange. I guess i just don't understand, but I will say shoot what makes you happy, and I do appreciate the responces, please keep them coming!!!!
Good luck to everyone this season and stay safe out there!!!
P.S. I will be sighting in my new 257 Wby Mag next week fitted with a Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14X42 and can't wait I'll let ya'll know how it goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back in the day, Roy's designs were great, as limited powder availability, and freebore enabled him to get alot of velocity. But with so many custom powders to market, its not needed anymore. Freebore can hinder accuracy. Not saying it always will. But can.
08-09-2007, 04:50 PM
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: va USA
Posts: 580
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
The 3 issues that I hear most often about Wby.
1, is the $50 to $75 box of ammo,
2, the extra money doesn't translate into a real advantage over "normal magnums" either in terms of accuracy or terminal performance.
3, the biggest complaint that I hear is that people who use Wby's are perceived by average Joe hunter as elitest.
1, is the $50 to $75 box of ammo,
2, the extra money doesn't translate into a real advantage over "normal magnums" either in terms of accuracy or terminal performance.
3, the biggest complaint that I hear is that people who use Wby's are perceived by average Joe hunter as elitest.
08-09-2007, 08:44 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Western Nebraska
Posts: 3,393
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
Weatherby's are not CRF and many folks insist on that feature. Also (at least traditionally) the finish was so high-polish and glossy as to flash across the canyons for miles.
The finest Weatherbys today IMO are the Vanguards!
The finest Weatherbys today IMO are the Vanguards!
08-10-2007, 01:20 AM
#17
Site Bouncer
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,099
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
I have an older (mid 60's) German made Mark V in 300 Weatherby Mag that shoots "lights out". It's a beautiful rifle and like I said it shoots fantastic. Can't comment on the newer Jap stuff as I have never shot those but I'd buy another German made Weatherby anyday.
08-10-2007, 02:04 AM
#18
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 238
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
Weatherby Vanguard is a fantastic rifle.I had one in 30-06 and was
extremely accurate.Beautiful wood stock that would rival most any
gun manufactured today.For 550.00 it would shoot with any Remington
700 out there and I should know as I have had many of them and they
are also awesome guns.One person said they were only a Howa but
most American guns today have some part or either all parts made
over seas.Ruger is totally made in America but some people still bash
them any way.How about Browning?Parts made in Germany and then
assembled in Portugal then sold in America and we think Browning is a
good gun and so do I!Today I mainly hunt with a marlin 1895 Guide
gun in 45/70 and luv it.But I would buy a Weatherby Vanguard again
in a standard caliber in a minute.Lots of Vanguards now sold today
and not many other guns come with a 1 1/2 inch guaranteed accuracy
target nowadays and they ship the target with it.Great gun for the
money and I am still glad they are catching on better than ever.The
anti-gunners luv to see us argue among ourselves.I wont do that as
I like most any well Made gun that is manufactured today.For now I
have gone back to my roots and luv my Marlin lever guns in Big Bore
calibers for my mountain hunting but would feel just as comfortable
with another vanguard in a .270 if thats what I wanted.As long as what
ever I carry and it is accurate and reliable I say go for it! Mike
extremely accurate.Beautiful wood stock that would rival most any
gun manufactured today.For 550.00 it would shoot with any Remington
700 out there and I should know as I have had many of them and they
are also awesome guns.One person said they were only a Howa but
most American guns today have some part or either all parts made
over seas.Ruger is totally made in America but some people still bash
them any way.How about Browning?Parts made in Germany and then
assembled in Portugal then sold in America and we think Browning is a
good gun and so do I!Today I mainly hunt with a marlin 1895 Guide
gun in 45/70 and luv it.But I would buy a Weatherby Vanguard again
in a standard caliber in a minute.Lots of Vanguards now sold today
and not many other guns come with a 1 1/2 inch guaranteed accuracy
target nowadays and they ship the target with it.Great gun for the
money and I am still glad they are catching on better than ever.The
anti-gunners luv to see us argue among ourselves.I wont do that as
I like most any well Made gun that is manufactured today.For now I
have gone back to my roots and luv my Marlin lever guns in Big Bore
calibers for my mountain hunting but would feel just as comfortable
with another vanguard in a .270 if thats what I wanted.As long as what
ever I carry and it is accurate and reliable I say go for it! Mike
08-10-2007, 05:41 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
We live in the day of cutting edge technology. Weatherby at their inception was cutting edge technology. The second point was that Weatherby's were totally reliable, in a day when all firearms were not totally reliable. Weatherby made their name in dangerous game rifles, and that flowed over into the "magnum" craze market.
If you wanted anything "Hotter" than the standard cartridges then you had to go with Weatherby, it was the only game in town. That is not the fact any more, you can get magnum cartridges from all the manufacturers. Also if a rifle shot 1 to 1-1/2 inch groups that was acceptable-that is not the case anymore.
Roy's theory(I personally heard him say this at the SHOT show in the 80's) was a rifle should be hot and beautiful, but totally reliable-then someone would add just like a good woman. Hot being magnum performance and beautiful being good wood. IMO if Roy saw his rifles bastardized the way they have been, he would roll over in his grave.
I own and have owned several. Some were shooter's and some were not. With the exception of the "Ultralight"-(which wasn't that light)they were all works of art, and were 100% reliable. Tom.
If you wanted anything "Hotter" than the standard cartridges then you had to go with Weatherby, it was the only game in town. That is not the fact any more, you can get magnum cartridges from all the manufacturers. Also if a rifle shot 1 to 1-1/2 inch groups that was acceptable-that is not the case anymore.
Roy's theory(I personally heard him say this at the SHOT show in the 80's) was a rifle should be hot and beautiful, but totally reliable-then someone would add just like a good woman. Hot being magnum performance and beautiful being good wood. IMO if Roy saw his rifles bastardized the way they have been, he would roll over in his grave.
I own and have owned several. Some were shooter's and some were not. With the exception of the "Ultralight"-(which wasn't that light)they were all works of art, and were 100% reliable. Tom.
08-10-2007, 06:05 AM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 749
RE: What's with the bias against Weatherby??
Dads mark v 257 is will out shoot my friends custom job. in 25/06 it is a remington 700 action and a shilen barrel and trigger. he payed way over 2k for it and dad payed less then $700 for his a couplreyears ago.