The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
06-20-2007, 11:20 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
I disagree with the entire list. There is not one single form of "ammo" on it. Those are all "calibers."
Ammo, refers to ammunition. This list should be more along the lines of:
Varmints:
1) VMAX
2) TNT
HM) HP
Medium Game:
1) Sierra Game King
2) Nosler Partition
HM) BT
I disagree with the entire list. There is not one single form of "ammo" on it. Those are all "calibers."
Ammo, refers to ammunition. This list should be more along the lines of:
Varmints:
1) VMAX
2) TNT
HM) HP
Medium Game:
1) Sierra Game King
2) Nosler Partition
HM) BT
it is how it was presented in the article.
06-20-2007, 11:22 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
Alright...I'll play along...but I am going to go ahead and fix his list for him. My corrections will be listed in bold along his original attempts.
1. Varmints -
First choice = .223 Remington
Second choice = .220 Swift .204 Ruger belongs here
Honorable mention = .22/250 Remington - .222 Rem Mag
2. Varmints and Big Games [sic]-
First choice = 6MM Remington I wholeheartedly agree with him here
Second choice= .257 Roberts
Honorable mention = .243 Winchester .22-250 belongs here
3. Big Game: The light kickers -
First choice = 7x57 Mauser and 7MM/08 Remington in a tie. I concur.
Second choice = .308 Winchester - This should read .260 Rem
Honorable mention = 6.5X55 Swede - I like the 6.5 too...but you can't leave out the 30/30 Win.
4. Big Game: The all-around rounds -
First choice = .30/06 Springfield
Second choice = .270 Winchester and .280 Remington in a tie. Just .280 here....or perhaps tied with 7mm Mag
Honorable mention = .338 Winchester Magnum
5. Big Game at long range -
First choice = .300 weatherby magnum
Second choice = .270 winchester short magnum 300 or 7mm WSM would be better here
Honorable mention = 7MM Weatherby magnum I'd mention the 7mm STW
6. Heavy or dangerous north american game -
First choice = .338 Winchester Magnum
Second choice = .338 remington ultra mag and .340 weatherby in a tie. Neither one.... 375 H&H...and its a close second at that
Honorable mention = .325 winchester short magnum Nope 330 Dakota, and thats only because its not that well known and needs mentioning. It really should be at the top.
7. Handguns - For what...?
First choice = .44 magnum
Second choice = .480 ruger
Honorable mention = .45 long colt
8. Africa -
LIGHT RIFLE (I'd rather carry a shotgun for birds instead...but I'll bite)
First choice = .30/06 springfield Nope... 300 H&H
Second choice = .270 winchester No way.... put the '06 here
I will give an Honorable to 7x57, because its paid its dues on the Dark Continent.
MEDIUM RIFLE Which is really a "light" rifle in Africa....
First choice = .375 H & H
Second choice = .338 winchester magnum This is a good spot for the340 Weatherby
Another Honorable for the 330 Dakota should be listed here.
HEAVY RIFLE
First choice = .416 Remington Color me nostalgic. .470 NE
Second choice = .458 Lott .416 goes here
I'll add in an Honorable for the .460 Weatherby, if for no reason other than you could shoot down the moon with it, if you can handle the recoil that is.
1. Varmints -
First choice = .223 Remington
Second choice = .220 Swift .204 Ruger belongs here
Honorable mention = .22/250 Remington - .222 Rem Mag
2. Varmints and Big Games [sic]-
First choice = 6MM Remington I wholeheartedly agree with him here
Second choice= .257 Roberts
Honorable mention = .243 Winchester .22-250 belongs here
3. Big Game: The light kickers -
First choice = 7x57 Mauser and 7MM/08 Remington in a tie. I concur.
Second choice = .308 Winchester - This should read .260 Rem
Honorable mention = 6.5X55 Swede - I like the 6.5 too...but you can't leave out the 30/30 Win.
4. Big Game: The all-around rounds -
First choice = .30/06 Springfield
Second choice = .270 Winchester and .280 Remington in a tie. Just .280 here....or perhaps tied with 7mm Mag
Honorable mention = .338 Winchester Magnum
5. Big Game at long range -
First choice = .300 weatherby magnum
Second choice = .270 winchester short magnum 300 or 7mm WSM would be better here
Honorable mention = 7MM Weatherby magnum I'd mention the 7mm STW
6. Heavy or dangerous north american game -
First choice = .338 Winchester Magnum
Second choice = .338 remington ultra mag and .340 weatherby in a tie. Neither one.... 375 H&H...and its a close second at that
Honorable mention = .325 winchester short magnum Nope 330 Dakota, and thats only because its not that well known and needs mentioning. It really should be at the top.
7. Handguns - For what...?
First choice = .44 magnum
Second choice = .480 ruger
Honorable mention = .45 long colt
8. Africa -
LIGHT RIFLE (I'd rather carry a shotgun for birds instead...but I'll bite)
First choice = .30/06 springfield Nope... 300 H&H
Second choice = .270 winchester No way.... put the '06 here
I will give an Honorable to 7x57, because its paid its dues on the Dark Continent.
MEDIUM RIFLE Which is really a "light" rifle in Africa....
First choice = .375 H & H
Second choice = .338 winchester magnum This is a good spot for the340 Weatherby
Another Honorable for the 330 Dakota should be listed here.
HEAVY RIFLE
First choice = .416 Remington Color me nostalgic. .470 NE
Second choice = .458 Lott .416 goes here
I'll add in an Honorable for the .460 Weatherby, if for no reason other than you could shoot down the moon with it, if you can handle the recoil that is.
06-20-2007, 11:23 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
Swamp I was thinking the same thing.
I was very surprised not to see the .300 WM on that list.
I pretty much agree with the list for the categories that I have experience in.
Tom
I was very surprised not to see the .300 WM on that list.
I pretty much agree with the list for the categories that I have experience in.
Tom
06-20-2007, 01:04 PM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
The problem here is that Petzel is trying to group the "ungroupable" so to speak. The issue with calling any one thing the "best in all circumstances," is that no two circumstances are exactly alike. Along that line of thinking, it would be correct to state that the .375 H&H is the best rifle for everything, anytime, any place, any game and any season. Sure..its overkill for coyote's and whistle dogs....and its as light as I'd opt for elephant and buffalo....but it will get the job done. Second...heck...why not the .460 Weatherby...or the ultra sporty 20mm Vulcan? I just have to look at lists like this out of the side of my eyes....
There are a few catagories that I think Petzel "left out," or more appriopriately, should have included. Although, it is his article and he can do with it as he wishes.
I do, however, think that a catagory for the flat shooters (bean field rifles to us southerners and mule deer/antelope guns for y'all out west) andwoods rifles (for the up north boys) would have been appropriate catagories. I also think that he should have split up "big game" to include a medium game, such as deer, mulies, coues, black bears,goats, sheep etc, and left big game to include the "bigger" stuff such as caribou, elk, moose, brown/whitebears and musk ox/bison.
With that spirit in mind....here is my vote for the two catagories I feel were unduely left out: Feel free to comment, and re-write your own.
Bean Field Rifles:
1) 25-06
2) .270 (in either long or short fat configuration)
HM) 6mm Rem
Woods Rifles
1) 30/30
2) Tie b/w .444 and 45/70
HM) .35 Rem. However, I can't help but feel love for the .348 Win and the .358 Win....all but obsolete anymore.
I also have to give one grand overall Honorable Mention to a chambering that you will not find in my personal list, but its usefulness and subsequent offspring abound in nearly every varmint, light and medium duty rifle found; that would be the .308. Infact, I would place it on the HM list for best all around. It is not, by any stretch, THE BEST, however, its benefits for darn near everything, and its family from the .243, 260, 7mmm-08 and 338 Fed are undeniably some of the best around. The 7mm-08, just happens to be THE best of whats around....but thats purely subjective now isn't it.
There are a few catagories that I think Petzel "left out," or more appriopriately, should have included. Although, it is his article and he can do with it as he wishes.
I do, however, think that a catagory for the flat shooters (bean field rifles to us southerners and mule deer/antelope guns for y'all out west) andwoods rifles (for the up north boys) would have been appropriate catagories. I also think that he should have split up "big game" to include a medium game, such as deer, mulies, coues, black bears,goats, sheep etc, and left big game to include the "bigger" stuff such as caribou, elk, moose, brown/whitebears and musk ox/bison.
With that spirit in mind....here is my vote for the two catagories I feel were unduely left out: Feel free to comment, and re-write your own.
Bean Field Rifles:
1) 25-06
2) .270 (in either long or short fat configuration)
HM) 6mm Rem
Woods Rifles
1) 30/30
2) Tie b/w .444 and 45/70
HM) .35 Rem. However, I can't help but feel love for the .348 Win and the .358 Win....all but obsolete anymore.
I also have to give one grand overall Honorable Mention to a chambering that you will not find in my personal list, but its usefulness and subsequent offspring abound in nearly every varmint, light and medium duty rifle found; that would be the .308. Infact, I would place it on the HM list for best all around. It is not, by any stretch, THE BEST, however, its benefits for darn near everything, and its family from the .243, 260, 7mmm-08 and 338 Fed are undeniably some of the best around. The 7mm-08, just happens to be THE best of whats around....but thats purely subjective now isn't it.
06-20-2007, 01:09 PM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
That's a really long list of calibers. While I would love to own that many guns, I don't think there's anything on this continent you couldn't kill with a .223, .30-06, or .308.
I don't know about African game, the only thing I shot at there was shooting back at me. Come to think of it, .223 and .308 worked for that too.
I don't know about African game, the only thing I shot at there was shooting back at me. Come to think of it, .223 and .308 worked for that too.
06-20-2007, 01:56 PM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
ORIGINAL: BigTiny
I don't know about African game, the only thing I shot at there was shooting back at me. Come to think of it, .223 and .308 worked for that too.
I don't know about African game, the only thing I shot at there was shooting back at me. Come to think of it, .223 and .308 worked for that too.
06-21-2007, 02:54 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
I was thinking the same thing, but I guess if the writer made the mistake, that's a shame, 'cause I really would be interested in seeing what he thought about what was the best bullet.
He hada pretty stupid list for the "all-around rounds", for the average hunter.
He hada pretty stupid list for the "all-around rounds", for the average hunter.
06-22-2007, 09:52 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
I have a few problems:
First those are calibers not ammo.
Second there is no mention of the 25-06 which should have been included in at least three catergories..... Varmint/Big Game, Long range, and Light kickers.
Finally, there is way better varmint rounds than the ones mentioned. Such as 20VT, 17 MIV, 221 FB, 204 ruger, 17 Rem, 20 tactical..... just to name a few.
Thats the great thing about lists they are made to be argued about.
First those are calibers not ammo.
Second there is no mention of the 25-06 which should have been included in at least three catergories..... Varmint/Big Game, Long range, and Light kickers.
Finally, there is way better varmint rounds than the ones mentioned. Such as 20VT, 17 MIV, 221 FB, 204 ruger, 17 Rem, 20 tactical..... just to name a few.
Thats the great thing about lists they are made to be argued about.
06-22-2007, 10:50 AM
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RE: The Best Ammo for Every Hunt?
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis
I have a few problems:
First those are calibers not ammo.
I have a few problems:
First those are calibers not ammo.
j/kStandardwar weapons (as inspired by Big Tiny)
1st - .308 Win. Plenty of power, and a short action as opposed to the 30-06's long action, making the .308 better for semi-auto.
2nd - 6.8mm Grendel, Great automatic AR-style weapon for close quarters. Pretty popular with SWAT teams, I believe.
Honorable mention - .45 ACP, great pistol, great submachine guns, and the chamering of the second most important conventionalweapon of WWII, the Thompson submachine gun.