HEAD0001

I would use this to compare deer calibers.

Killing power is easy to compare. .458 will outkill a .308 which will outkill a .243. I think this is simple stuff. Bigger bullets. Bigger is better.

As far as cost is concerned, you are right, that area is a little vague. However I believe in general-30 caliber ammo is cheaper.(30-30,30-06,30 carbine vs 25-06, 243 Winchester, 338 Winchester Magnum).

Do not say it looks biased without changing the score in a particular category. But in general I guess you are right. I truly do believe the .308 caliber is the best. Show me where I am wrong?

Alot of hunters are trying to decide what cartridge to buy for their first deer rifle. IMO they should choose the caliber first, Then choose a cartridge in that caliber that suits them the best. If you are recoil sensitive then go with a 300 Savage or a 30-30. The 30-30 is a very effective round in a bolt action or an Encore. Let's keep our minds and opinions open.

Z is right, I should have added BC and SD. The problem is that they are so close that I felt it did not merit addition. You could give the .284 a 10. The .308and .277 a 9. And all other calibers an 8. This score would not make a big difference for the average hunter. Tom.

younggun308

30-30, bolt-action?

I never heard of those, but they do make swell lever-actions.


What in the freaking heck is a .284? Are you talking about the 7mm Rem Mag?

IMO, the 7mm Rem Mag would be a good choice in the Browning BAR Safari.

I like the .308 myself, though, and it shoots swell!

Duckbutter48

Sometimes posting your ignorance isnt always the best thing to do.

.284 is the measurement of the bullet just like a .308. A .284=7mm(metric) just the bullet not the cartridge size.

Rem made the 788 in 30-30. Im sure their were more but this was off top of my head.

zrexpilot

Head, to many variables. Is bigger better ? Usually. But a .30 carbine or a 30-30 is not better than a .243 at 300 yds I wouldnt even agree at 50 yds.

younggun308

Duck, when will you get off the crack?

If I shouldn't post the fact that I don't know things than what good is this forum for?

Why don't you start making sense without adding a littlecrap,or a bad sense of humor?

nchawkeye

Bigger is not always better...Once that bigger bullet passes through a deer it isn't killing anything...And the construction of the bullet and the velocity it has when it hits the target has a large impact on how much and how fast it will mushroom...

Your chart is so full of holes that I can't begin to correct...First you must pick a specific caliber and it would be best to pick a specific bullet because these are the biggest variables....

One example....Cartridges avaliable.....243 ranked below the .284...My brother has both a 7mm-08 and a .280...Cartridges for a 7mm-08 are fairly easy for him to buy as long as he is happy with 140 gr CoreLokts...The .280 is twice as hard to buy bullets for...But the .284 ranked above the .243...
Doesn't make sense...Pretty much the same can be said of Price and Avaliability...

bigbulls

I agree with zrexpilot, Waaaaaay too many holes in your comparison.


How does one outkill another. Dead is dead right?????? Unless you are talking about different classes of animals such as deer vs. buffalo. Then you need to compare calibers or cartridges suitable for that class of animal.

Effective killing power for which animals.

There isn't a cartridge or caliber made that is "drop them in their tracks dead" reliable. Bullet placement and bullet constructioncombined are the only things that can be considered "drop them in their tracks dead" reliable.

.308 caliber is best for who and in what cartridge. Is the 300 Remington ultra mag (it is a .308 caliber) better for a 9 year old girl than the .243 Winchester when hunting deer?

Go with a 300 savage? Well that one is certainly waaaaaaaay down on the list of available ammunition. Then the 30-30 is limited in range compared to the 7mm-08 and depending on where you live could very well be way down on the list of available ammunition.

ipscshooter

Well, that's just ludicrous, unless you tell us which cartridge you are using by way of the comparison. In your chart, the .308 diameter will include things like the .30-30 and the .30 M1 carbine rounds all the way up to the various .300 Magnums. You cannot with a straight face say that the .30 Carbine is a better250-400 yard round than the .243 Win, or the .243 WSM, the .25-06or the .257 Weatherby Magnum, etc., etc. He11, you can't even say it's a better 10 yard cartridge. For the .284, are you talking about the 7mm Rem Mag, the 7mm-08, the .280, the 7X57 Mauser?

There you go, lumping .30-30 and .30 carbine against the .25-06 and .243. I'll guarantee the .25-06 and the .243 are better deer killers at ANY range than either of those cartridges. And, no the .30 caliber ammo isn't any cheaper than the .243's or .25-06's, at least not where I shop.

It's not really possible to argue unless you tell us what cartridges (not just caliber) that you are evaluating. The .30 Carbine round loses to virtually all other centerfire rifle cartridges in just about every category. Yet, because it's a .308, your chart would rate it ahead of the .243 Win, the .25-06, the .270, the 7mm-08, the 7mm Magnums, etc., etc., etc. Absolutely ridiculous!


Neither the .300 Savage nor the .30-30 will perform as well as many smaller caliber cartridges.

But, even considering sectional density, that doesn't alter the wide variety of cartridge selections in each of the stated calibers. And, your "Drop them dead in their tracks" ratings are completely subjective. I've killed half of the deer I've shot with a .30-06 and the other half with a .243, and have noted NO difference whatsoever in how far the deer went after they were shot, yet you've got the .243 caliber rated 33% less.

Doe Dumper

I just sold a 30/30 bolt. It was a 788...they made mea price I couldnt refuse....so poof. Dont be knocking the 300 Savage... ...actually you can buy ammo around here at about any good sporting goods store for it.

Duckbutter48

Sorry I should have added a smiley that would have made it better--my fault.