45/70 help
01-21-2007, 08:46 AM
#11
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 68
RE: 45/70 help
I dont know about used wasnt able to find one. I just ordered a new Marlin 1895 gs 45-70 for $570 that included the cost of having it ordered.
I have looked around and have found the Ammo very easy to find from $28-$52 a box.
I have looked around and have found the Ammo very easy to find from $28-$52 a box.
01-21-2007, 09:38 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
Posts: 6,270
RE: 45/70 help
What Biscuit Jake says is correct, as far as it goes. The .45/70 was adopted as the Army service rifle cartridge in 1873 for use in the Trapdoor Springfieldl,the same year as the Army adopted the .45 Colt in the Single Action Army revolver.
The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!
The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.
Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!
The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.
I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.
In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!
The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.
Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!
The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.
I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.
In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
01-21-2007, 11:31 AM
#14
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Matador, Texas
Posts: 284
RE: 45/70 help
ORIGINAL: eldeguello
What Biscuit Jake says is correct, as far as it goes. The .45/70 was adopted as the Army service rifle cartridge in 1873 for use in the Trapdoor Springfieldl,the same year as the Army adopted the .45 Colt in the Single Action Army revolver.
The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!
The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.
Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!
The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.
I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.
In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
What Biscuit Jake says is correct, as far as it goes. The .45/70 was adopted as the Army service rifle cartridge in 1873 for use in the Trapdoor Springfieldl,the same year as the Army adopted the .45 Colt in the Single Action Army revolver.
The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!
The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.
Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!
The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.
I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.
In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
01-21-2007, 12:06 PM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Northeast Tennessee
Posts: 5,673
RE: 45/70 help
ORIGINAL: Pighunter56
You should be able to find a good used H&R, for under $200.00
ORIGINAL: Cougars09
i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
wow that would be good, but sounds like you could get 4 boxes of ammo for 200 too
. is this an exclusive iron site gun or is a scope a better play?
01-21-2007, 12:10 PM
#18
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Matador, Texas
Posts: 284
RE: 45/70 help
ORIGINAL: Cougars09
wow that would be good, but sounds like you could get 4 boxes of ammo for 200 too. is this an exclusive iron site gun or is a scope a better play?
ORIGINAL: Pighunter56
You should be able to find a good used H&R, for under $200.00
ORIGINAL: Cougars09
i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
wow that would be good, but sounds like you could get 4 boxes of ammo for 200 too
. is this an exclusive iron site gun or is a scope a better play?
01-21-2007, 12:26 PM
#19
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Posts: 1,345
RE: 45/70 help
ORIGINAL: Pighunter56
You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
01-21-2007, 12:45 PM
#20
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Somewere on Mt. St.Helens
Posts: 347
RE: 45/70 help
ORIGINAL: Soilarch
With buffalo bore only pushing their 405 @ 2000 it does seem like a stretch. BUT Eldeguello knows his stuff. The ruger No. 1 is an extremely strong action. To say he didn't do it is kinda arrogant, and very rude. Why not just ask him how he did it instead?
ORIGINAL: Pighunter56
You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.