Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
10-29-2006, 03:45 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
It will be a couple of days before I can get another couple of boxes of ammo. Which do you guys like better? The Remington Core Lokt ammo or the Winchester Power Point? I am partial to the 130 grain bullets since they dont kick quite as hard. I am not a wuss, its just that I have had 2 surgeries on my right shoulder and my neck has several bad discs in it that get very inflamed when I shoot a hard hitting gun. That is why I use the .270 over the 30.06 that I used to shoot. Thanks for the advice guys, I will put it to the test this week and update you on how this works out.
10-29-2006, 04:41 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
Which do you guys like better? The Remington Core Lokt ammo or the Winchester Power Point?
10-29-2006, 07:07 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
It's a matter of finding what you gun likes best, but until you solve your problem it will not matter. Just shoot what ever you can findthe cheepest. when you get the bugs out of the rifle then find what it groups best with!
10-29-2006, 08:16 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
I have a guy that is much more knowledgeable than I am helping me with this. He is going to reload me some shells and we are going to spend some time trying to get the gun sighted in. I think that I will try to find some sand bags like was mentioned. The site and clean is great for sighting in a .22, but the big bores it likes to move around a bit too much to be consistant.
10-31-2006, 02:55 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
OK, I took the gun over to a friend of mines house and shot the gun at a target stapled to a wooden wire spool (about 4 foot round) at 100 yards and shot off from his pool ladder free handed and put the first of 8 shots right with the 130 gr. in the bulls eye. Then I shot again and shot a bit high and right, etc. All of my shots where within 4 inches of the bullseye and then I shot a few of his 150 gr. reloads and they where shooting a bit low, but still within the 4 inch group. I dont know what was happening the other day, I am leaning towards the shooting position that I was using, and the Site N CLean rest that I was using. The wind was also blowing a bit the other day and probably attributed slightly too. I also changed the reveal of the scope a bit by moving the scope back further toward my eye. I know that there alot of variables here, but the fact is that I shot about 12 rounds in total and they all where within 4 inches of the bullseye at 100 yards. Thats a kill shot in my book.
11-01-2006, 08:47 AM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
I would agree with loosing the see-through scope bases and going with more normal/lower/stronger bases. Do you really need open sights on a .270? A .30-.30 I could see it.
11-01-2006, 10:11 AM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
TUK101: I once had a scope mounted which moved in the rings. The gunsmith recommended that I put a dot of fingernail polish on the junction of one of the rings and the scope, so that if the scope every moved again I would immediately be able to recognize this problem. Since then I have always put two dots of fingernail polish -- one on the forward edge of the rear ring and one on the rear edge of the rear ring -- so I can tell if any slippage is occuring. This may be good advice for you.
I think the advice people are giving you to lose the see through bases is pretty good advice, but this is a matter of personal preference I suppose. You should definitely be able to get better shooting out of your rifle than 4" groups at 100 yards. My Winchester M70 featherweight .243 shoots 1.25" groups, and I'm pretty sure I'm the limiting factor on this accuracy rather than the rifle. This is good enough shooting to use the rifle out to the limits of its range. The .270 is good for long range, but a 4" group at 100 yards is going to open out pretty quickly at longer ranges. What is going to happen when you take a 300 yard shot on either a deer or a pronghorn antelope with that rifle if it is shooting 4" groups?
Having said this, if you think the scope and scope mounting mechanics are sound, experiment with different ammunition. I have found that shooting different ammunition out of the same gun I can have groups that range from 4" to 1.25". Buy about three different commercial loadings in the appropriate bullet weight for your preferred game and shoot several 5-shot groups with each cartridge. You will probably find that one of these loads makes consistently better groups than others. Use this preferred load. By the way, this is something that is unique to your specific rifle.Just because Acme's SuperBangerBombshell shoots 1.25" groups in my Winchester 670 does not mean it will shoot 1.25" groups in your Winchester 670. Even less would this be the case comparing between my success with a Remington Model 700 BDL in .270 and your success with the same load in your Winchester 670 in .270.
Good luck.
I think the advice people are giving you to lose the see through bases is pretty good advice, but this is a matter of personal preference I suppose. You should definitely be able to get better shooting out of your rifle than 4" groups at 100 yards. My Winchester M70 featherweight .243 shoots 1.25" groups, and I'm pretty sure I'm the limiting factor on this accuracy rather than the rifle. This is good enough shooting to use the rifle out to the limits of its range. The .270 is good for long range, but a 4" group at 100 yards is going to open out pretty quickly at longer ranges. What is going to happen when you take a 300 yard shot on either a deer or a pronghorn antelope with that rifle if it is shooting 4" groups?
Having said this, if you think the scope and scope mounting mechanics are sound, experiment with different ammunition. I have found that shooting different ammunition out of the same gun I can have groups that range from 4" to 1.25". Buy about three different commercial loadings in the appropriate bullet weight for your preferred game and shoot several 5-shot groups with each cartridge. You will probably find that one of these loads makes consistently better groups than others. Use this preferred load. By the way, this is something that is unique to your specific rifle.Just because Acme's SuperBangerBombshell shoots 1.25" groups in my Winchester 670 does not mean it will shoot 1.25" groups in your Winchester 670. Even less would this be the case comparing between my success with a Remington Model 700 BDL in .270 and your success with the same load in your Winchester 670 in .270.
Good luck.
11-03-2006, 01:45 AM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
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TUK101: I once had a scope mounted which moved in the rings. The gunsmith recommended that I put a dot of fingernail polish on the junction of one of the rings and the scope, so that if the scope every moved again I would immediately be able to recognize this problem. Since then I have always put two dots of fingernail polish -- one on the forward edge of the rear ring and one on the rear edge of the rear ring -- so I can tell if any slippage is occuring. This may be good advice for you.
I think the advice people are giving you to lose the see through bases is pretty good advice, but this is a matter of personal preference I suppose. You should definitely be able to get better shooting out of your rifle than 4" groups at 100 yards. My Winchester M70 featherweight .243 shoots 1.25" groups, and I'm pretty sure I'm the limiting factor on this accuracy rather than the rifle. This is good enough shooting to use the rifle out to the limits of its range. The .270 is good for long range, but a 4" group at 100 yards is going to open out pretty quickly at longer ranges. What is going to happen when you take a 300 yard shot on either a deer or a pronghorn antelope with that rifle if it is shooting 4" groups?
Having said this, if you think the scope and scope mounting mechanics are sound, experiment with different ammunition. I have found that shooting different ammunition out of the same gun I can have groups that range from 4" to 1.25". Buy about three different commercial loadings in the appropriate bullet weight for your preferred game and shoot several 5-shot groups with each cartridge. You will probably find that one of these loads makes consistently better groups than others. Use this preferred load. By the way, this is something that is unique to your specific rifle.Just because Acme's SuperBangerBombshell shoots 1.25" groups in my Winchester 670 does not mean it will shoot 1.25" groups in your Winchester 670. Even less would this be the case comparing between my success with a Remington Model 700 BDL in .270 and your success with the same load in your Winchester 670 in .270.
Good luck.
TUK101: I once had a scope mounted which moved in the rings. The gunsmith recommended that I put a dot of fingernail polish on the junction of one of the rings and the scope, so that if the scope every moved again I would immediately be able to recognize this problem. Since then I have always put two dots of fingernail polish -- one on the forward edge of the rear ring and one on the rear edge of the rear ring -- so I can tell if any slippage is occuring. This may be good advice for you.
I think the advice people are giving you to lose the see through bases is pretty good advice, but this is a matter of personal preference I suppose. You should definitely be able to get better shooting out of your rifle than 4" groups at 100 yards. My Winchester M70 featherweight .243 shoots 1.25" groups, and I'm pretty sure I'm the limiting factor on this accuracy rather than the rifle. This is good enough shooting to use the rifle out to the limits of its range. The .270 is good for long range, but a 4" group at 100 yards is going to open out pretty quickly at longer ranges. What is going to happen when you take a 300 yard shot on either a deer or a pronghorn antelope with that rifle if it is shooting 4" groups?
Having said this, if you think the scope and scope mounting mechanics are sound, experiment with different ammunition. I have found that shooting different ammunition out of the same gun I can have groups that range from 4" to 1.25". Buy about three different commercial loadings in the appropriate bullet weight for your preferred game and shoot several 5-shot groups with each cartridge. You will probably find that one of these loads makes consistently better groups than others. Use this preferred load. By the way, this is something that is unique to your specific rifle.Just because Acme's SuperBangerBombshell shoots 1.25" groups in my Winchester 670 does not mean it will shoot 1.25" groups in your Winchester 670. Even less would this be the case comparing between my success with a Remington Model 700 BDL in .270 and your success with the same load in your Winchester 670 in .270.
Good luck.
11-04-2006, 08:04 PM
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RE: Whats the best way to sight in a gun? Having problems sighting in new gun.
TUK101, don't forget to let the barrel cool between shots. I shoot three shots, then wander down to the target and look it over and tape over the holes or replace the target if necessary. This gives the rifle time to cool down a bit. A hot barrel will expand enough to give you frustratingly inconsistent results.....Been there, done that. Good luck on getting tuned in.
11-04-2006, 09:53 PM
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Yeah, I do that. I never shoot more than 3 shots before checking things over on the target. I usually take a sharpy and color the holes. I checked it out again today at 50 yards and shot 2 inch 3 shot groups. Thats pretty good to me. If I had more space here I would try some 100-150 yard tests, but I dont so I have to make do with what I have. I also figured out part of what was causing problems the other day. I was shooting at what measured out to be close to 100 yards uphill. Well from what I understand, shooting uphill will cause your bullet to shoot high.