ajstrider

I think it is an interesting cartridge but we are essentially reproducing a bunch of old cartridges these days. The ballistics on the 25 WSSM exactly match the 25-06. Federal hasn't even started manufacturing a round for the 25 WSSM and why should they? The 25-06 is the same and I can't even begin to say how many more 25-06 rifles are out there than 25 WSSM. You can make the argument that the 25 WSSM is a short action but that isn't really enough to start ammo makers to go crazy over a round.

My opinion, good cartridge, but not necessary and won't survive long.
This is kind of the story with the .260 Remington, such a great little cartridge for deer hunting, near perfect for whitetails I think, but it is slowly dying away, but it has held on for almost 13 years now.

streetglideok

Springfield figured it out in 1906, now that is funny. The 1903 Springfield was a military weapon, and back then an assault weapon. The 1906 round 30 caliber was a military round as well. The '98 Mauser is the father of the pre-'64 winchester model 70, another military rifle. The Enfield, with its bolt ****ing on closing setup was strictly for military purposes, and on and on and on. 9mm luger, 45 ACP, 1911A1, 223(5.56), 308(7.62), were all military at some time or another. 12 ga pump was used as a military trench gun so effective, didnt the germans accuse us of violating the Geneva Conventions? The idea an AR is an assault weapon is a political PC term, and can be twisted to include anything and everything. You may wish to consider looking into Australia's gun bans, as to what was considered an assault weapon. It is just another semi-auto that has a different look, no different then your BAR, Browning Golds, Remington 1100's, etc.
If we start finger pointing on what we like and dont like, in the end it wont matter. United we stand, divided we fall. There wont be hunting, or weapons to hunt. I dont like model 700 safeties, they are too military like with their two position system, does that mean it has no place in the woods since it may give a tactical advantage to the hunter?lol. Heck we could argue baiting and game fences are wrong. Fact is, if you dont like it, then dont use it. Using an AR is less harmful then the 2 idiots poaching in Oklahoma the other day during muzzleloader season when one shot the other by accident.

Back to the topic, the 25 wssm brings something to the table for the AR platform, but for bolt action rifles, it has to fight some stiff competition with the 25-06. With the modular format(adult erector set) of the AR, I think it will become a popular hunting round for the AR only guys.

Pawildman

........When most of the AR interest started was when Bill Clinton made a big deal of "assault" weapons. The gun and hunting public got nervous and started to embrace that which they thought was going to be taken away forever. Then came Bush. Back in business. Now Obama. The fear level rises once more. If you don't think that is the case, va, explain why the AR type guns were so hard to purchase immediately before his inauguration and afterward? Ammunition and reloading components too? People who didn't even care for the looks of AR-type weapons were buying them at an unbelieveable rate. Then they started to shoot them some, and found out just how darned accurate they are. Now, va, are you with me so far? OK. Guess that ought to tell you why, for the most part, guys like to hunt with them. And there isn't a darned thing wrong with that.

As far as your attack on the NRA, it just seems to me that you are completely out of touch with reality with your assertions. So the NRA has nice headquarters...So what?? So does my bank. and my Doctor's office. If it wasn't for the NRA and their lobbying efforts, I will guarantee you, mister, you probably wouldn't have the firearms freedoms you have today. May God bless Wayne LaPierre and the NRA and the GOA. Without these watchdogs on our side, we would be in a bad position. Anyone who comes on here and badmouths the NRA has their head in the sand, in my opinion. And in that position, you know what's sticking up in the air, don't you? That's the position the "anti's" love to see you in....It's soooo much easier for them to do what they do best.....

bigbulls

Boy, talking about destroying your own credibility with these two statements.

Not that we thought you had any to begin with.

You make it way to easy.

thndrchiken

With the feeding and brass life issues related to the WSSM's I would not imagine them to have a very long life span.

vabyrd

Can you even read? One post was regarding the 30-06 caliber the other was regarding weapons design. Public education at its finest.

bigbulls

Really, because below is your entire post and I see nothing mentioning the 30-06 cartridge. Besides that fact a firearm can not be designed with out regard to the cartridge it will be firing. When a firearm is designed its design must include cartridge design. No matter if it is a current cartridge or a completely new cartridge design.

You might want to look into some of that public education that you mentioned. Never mind, I know it would take to much effort on your part so I will just educate you here publicly.


The M1903 rifle was originally designed to fire the 30-03 cartridge to compete with the small arms of other countries. The 30-03 did not produce the desired results with the heavy round nosed bullets and was redesigned to fire lighter weight spitzer bullets at higher velocities and named the 30-06. Both of the original designs (rifle and cartridge) were modified in 1906 to what we know today but the rifle did not get a name change like the cartridge did. They were both designed from the beginning (1903) to be the "assault rifle" and "assault cartridge" of the times and redesigned three years later (1906) before they got it right.

And if you want to get right down to it the 30-06 was originally designed in 1901... called the 30-01.


Again, a complete loss of credibility. The hole you're digging is just getting deeper and deeper.


Oh, and BTW, the 30-06 is not a caliber. It is a cartridge. It looks like more public education is in order. The number 30 is the caliber of the bullet that the 30-06 cartridge fires. It measures .308 inches in diameter. The numbers o6 refer to the year that the cartridge design was adopted by the United States Army.

vabyrd

I believe what I said is:

"All the world needs is another rifle cartridge"

I'm sorry that you weren't able to read between the lines when I mentioned Springfield. I was sure that someone as intelligent as you would have been able to figure that out. But please, continue to enlighten all of us about your ability to cut and paste and quote G&A verbatim. I hope you enjoy a long life of playing Rambo with white tail deer and groundhogs. The push to make AR's look like the perfect hunting rifle has done nothing but give ammo to the anti-gun crowd. I'm sure you are a little too busy to actually read and understand what the other side sees. Just keep feeding them.

Please keep spending your money on other worthless items as well. I hope when the 28 WSSM comes out you are the first to get it.

And if you need three more lines to read between, I got that for you too.

Big Z

Cheers to the AR crowd. I hope more and more of these are around every day for responsible gun owners. I wish I had one. It would be awfully convenient for pdogs, awesome fun at the range, and they are just COOL guns with so many OPTIONS to play with! I hope every blood-sucking ANTI cringes at the thought of their increasing popularity.

bigbulls

If it weren't for the designing of new rifle cartridges you wouldn't have your beloved 30-06 because it would still be the 30-01. Oh but wait that wouldn't have been designed either.

Yeah, cut and paste. You don't even know my qualifications do you? In fact you don't even know if I own an AR or not do you? Nor do you know if I own any WSSM cartridge.

No one is trying to make the AR look like a perfect hunting rifle but they are very capable hunting rifles. Thousands of people, every year, go out and hunt with their AR rifles and do so very successfully. from prairie dogs to elk and moose.

The fact remains that you are all hung up on "assault rifle" design but nearly every single modern firearm is based heavily on a previous military designed "assault rifles". A good many of the rifle and cartridge designs are of military origin. The Colt SAA and the 45 Colt, the Springfield 1873 and 45-70 Govt., The Springfield 1903 and the 30-06, the 1911 and the 45acp, The M14 and the 308 Win, The Luger and the 9X19mm, The Browning 1900 and 32 ACP... the list goes on and on.

One would be correct in arguing against this statement. The more these firearms popularity increases the more difficult it will be for the anti gun crowd to get them banned. Remember that they aren't after our hunting rifles and only after those bad "black guns" that have no place in the sporting firearms world. It would appear to me that with companies like Remington stamping their names on them and the fact that they are being chambered in cartridges (remember we learned what a cartridge is in the last lesson) like the .243, 7mm-08, 260 Rem, that there is indeed a solid sporting base for these rifles.

The real problem is people like yourself (assuming that you do own firearms) with your illogical opinions about firearms. Your type are the biggest threat to gun ownership this country has today.


Bottom line... you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate. You lost a long time ago and should bow out gracefully.