What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
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RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
I don't know about you, but I'd be a little more concerned about a weapons malfunction when confronted by an armed enemy, than by any animal. All the rules change whe your game hunts you back.
When I was in the service, I never had a problem with my M16A2 failing to function properly with live rounds. Blanks were a dirrerent story.
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When I was in the service, I never had a problem with my M16A2 failing to function properly with live rounds. Blanks were a dirrerent story.
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#12
RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
Sako uses the push feed design in its model 75. Sako 75 is not considered a cheeply made gun selling at about twice the price of a Winrugrem. They obviously endorse the push feed design. Interesting though that their Safari 375 HH Limited Edition of which only 80 are offered for sale world wide at a price of about $10,000 U.S. uses the CRF design with claw extractor. That to me makes a strong statement; i.e. dangerous game = CRF. gg
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#13
RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
I think everyone is overlooking one big advantage of the pushfeed system, namely the Mauser 98 bolt: Its easy to field strip without any tools. I your 3000 miles away from home and you drop your rifle in the mud or break a firing pin and happen to have brought a new one along you're not out of business if you have a 98 style action. I've never field stripped a Rem700 bolt, but I would imagine that there is some sort of tool needed to overcome the spring tension.
A push feed action will feed just as reliably as a controlled feed, maybe even better. A controlled feed action is not completely jam proof, if the rounds are loaded incorrectly in the magazine, or the bolt is not pulled all the way back to strip a new round from the magazine, you could end up with a jam or an empty chamber. I've also had rifles crf rifles that needed slight modification in order to chamber RN bullets without mashing them inot the edge of the chamber as the claw extractor grabs the round before the round leaves the magazine and is held tightly betwee the bolt face, receiver rail and feeed ramp. If any of the critical dimensions of the feed ramp or receiver rail are off, jams can occur depending on the position of the round in the magazine. In push feed rifles, the round pops out of the magazine before it is grabbed by anything, making it completely jamproof unless you had a faiure to extract on the previous round.
The really big deal with the CRF bolt is the 'coolness' factor. It just looks right t have a big slab of spring steel on the side of the bolt versus having a naked bolt.
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A push feed action will feed just as reliably as a controlled feed, maybe even better. A controlled feed action is not completely jam proof, if the rounds are loaded incorrectly in the magazine, or the bolt is not pulled all the way back to strip a new round from the magazine, you could end up with a jam or an empty chamber. I've also had rifles crf rifles that needed slight modification in order to chamber RN bullets without mashing them inot the edge of the chamber as the claw extractor grabs the round before the round leaves the magazine and is held tightly betwee the bolt face, receiver rail and feeed ramp. If any of the critical dimensions of the feed ramp or receiver rail are off, jams can occur depending on the position of the round in the magazine. In push feed rifles, the round pops out of the magazine before it is grabbed by anything, making it completely jamproof unless you had a faiure to extract on the previous round.
The really big deal with the CRF bolt is the 'coolness' factor. It just looks right t have a big slab of spring steel on the side of the bolt versus having a naked bolt.
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RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
This topic has as many opinions as a Jack O'Conner vs Elmer Kieth debate on the .270 vs 30.06.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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#16
RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
Briman, either you or I are confused here. The Mauser '98 is a CRF, NOT a push-feed! Is that what you meant to say, or am I misinterpreting your comment?
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RE: What's so special about Win's "Push feed" bolt?
Good catch, Imeant CRF<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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