brushbustin

last deer season i shot a 6 pointer at 154 yards with my30-30 and the buck ran no more than 30 yards.he was standing broad side to. My uncle claims to have shot 2 deer with his 30-30 at 416 steps. he stepped it out to the deer.i say claim because i was not with him but he has not been known to blow smoke up your a**.

buckstalker1187

Shonuff, I understand the ballistics are very different between the 30-30 and the 300 win mag. I have about 65 million gazillion ballistic charts.

But would you agree that at 700 yards the 300 win mag would barely have enough energy to kill an elk?
Yet I have heard guys claim that they have shot elk at almost 800 yards with with 270, 280, 30-06, 300 win mag. All I was saying is , that to me , these stories seem a bit far fetched.

bigbulls

I don't know who came up with the 1000 foot pounds of energy required to kill a deer with a bullet but they are full of it. Deer are not exactly hard to kill. 400 foot pounds or so of KE is all that is needed. I am not talking about shooting it in the eye ball or anything stupid like that. Just a regular ole shot through the boiler room with a regular ole bullet.

Provided the shooter is good enough the 30-30 can easily take deer cleanly with a single shot out beyond 300 yards. If sighted in properly to take advantage of the size of a deers lungs, not what the ballistic charts show with a 100 yard zero, a 150 grain bullet will only be about 7 or 8 inches low at 250 yards and only about 17 or 18 inches low at 300 yards and has plenty enough energy to kill deer sized animals.


BC, The world record 1000 yard smallest group is a 4.2278 inch, 10 shot group, with a 6mmBR. But 2640 yards? I only in a dream and he'd still probably miss.[&:]

The longest shot I personally know of anyone taking on an animal was my father some years ago. A big ole cow elk at just over 400 yards with a 7mm Rem mag.


Buckstalker, THe 300 Win mag has what it takes to kill elk to 700 yards. However I strongly question that the person behind the trigger has what it takes to pull it off. There are people that can do it and do it on a regular basis. However, they are not using factory rifles or factory ammunition and they put in many many hours of range time to be good enough to do it.

buckstalker1187

Those are still some very far shots and not to mention, good sized groups besides.

I really don't think that I would ever take shots at those distances at live game. But thats just me.

Charley

1000 foot pounds of energy for whitetail is a bit over for the deer around here. I've killed them with a lot less!
My farthest kill with a 94 Winchester and a .30/30 is 135 yards. Broke both front shoulders and he dropped right there. That was with factory irons. I'd be comfortable out to 150 yards or a bit more with a good aperature rear sight. If I was using a bolt or single shot rifle with a scope, I would be confident at 200 or a bit more.

DANTHEHUNTER

I have often wondered want people would say about the old 30-30 if it wre in a bolt rifle with a full lenght barrel and some good lead.

James B

I had the Savage O/U with a 30-30 barrel. It would put three shots in an inch group with 125 grain Nosler Ballistic tips. I have a 30-30 Single shot in the NEF rifle which shoots real well with Nosler Ballistic tips in 125 or 150. No need for round or flat nose bullets in a single shot. This was a unlikely gun to shoot that well but it was a tack driver if I dare say so.

DANTHEHUNTER

Did you notice much differnce in the ballistics ? I have a NEF .243 bull that shoots real well. My 14 year olddaughter can shoot an 1 in. group at 50 yards and does not even get a cheek well on the stock. Back to the 30-30 I witnessed a 172 in. buck get shot open sights at or about 100 yards and dropped like his life fell out of him. Very impressed with that and guy didnt even mount it what a waste of a great buck. He has several antlers lying in his shop around 150.

SHoNUFF

totally, i was just compairing the 30-30 to the 300wsm. I would personally never take a shot with ANY rifle over MAYBE 400yards if i had to. Realy more like 300. Comfortable killing anything where it stands at 200-250.

ray1301

My brother has a 30-30 he bought back in the mid 70's. He has killed well over a hundred white-tail deer with it. But he know the limits of the rifle. He can effectively kill with it out to 125 yards. I have killed lot's of deer with this same rifle but never past 125 yards.