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Eagle338

405 gr. bullet? 2300 fps? Out of a 45-70?

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DANTHEHUNTER

Just quoting buffalo bores charts on my box of shells my friend.Even though I have never chronyed them they sure seem to pack a punch.I have never really tryed to push my hand loads to there level. But they are fun to shoot if you like big bores.

Eagle338

From the Buffalo Bore Website....
2nd one down 8b,
2000fps quoted (and puffed a bit at that [magnum?])

To get 2300 you'll have to drop to a much, much smaller bullet.

.45-70 Magnum
Lever Gun

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430 gr. L.B.T.- L.F.N. - G.C. (1925 fps / M.E. 3537 ft. lbs.)
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405 gr. J.F.N. (2000 fps / M.E. 3597 ft. lbs.)
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350 gr. J.F.N. (2150 fps / M.E. 3592 ft. lbs.)
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bigcountry

The fastest you could even think to push a 405gr is with 52gr of RL7 or 55gr of H322 and even that will bearly kick you over 2000fps. And I have found to be very inaccuarte in most levers.

DANTHEHUNTER

Hey I checked my ammo boxes and you are right got them mixed up oh well. Why are you on my back so hard anyway are youthat partial to .338. Please forgive me for I have sinned !!! Well before I sent this I went and shot it trough my chroy I got 2050 average three shots .with my 32in tube (the best 2095 ) and my 300 gr avg. 2276.

bigcountry

I didnt' know I was one your back. You made a huge statement. People were just not accepting it.

TerryM

I owned a .338 winnmag for around 20 years and used it on several moose, a couple deer , black bears some caribou and even a timberwolf who was stalking me while I was calling moose. There is no doubt that the .338 is Ideal for Alaska. A moose is enormous compared to a deer and those who have not hunted them are usually shocked when they encounter one but they are also easy to kill. A 30-06 is really plenty of rifle for moose. The advantage of the .338 is you might just see a huge bull walking away from you and with an 06 thats not an ethical shot. I have shot bull moose in the fart vent and have the bullet break a front shoulder and exit the front of the moose, result being one very dead moose. The other thing is if I was anywhere near a grizzly bear then I would not consider anything less than a .338 mag ! If you can shoot it well the .338 is a great round. But my experience is lots of people develop flinches when getting to that level of recoil. I myself had a muzzle brake on mine which is why I sold it. Just not worth the hearing damage to me. Beautiful round though.

Eagle338

Accuracy in both rifles and statementsis a good thing. I amsort of a big bore fan, so I am aware how difficult it is to just magically pick up 300fpswhen you are talking about400gr 458 bullets. That kind ofgaincomes at a seriouscost to powder, case capacity, and recoil when you are talking big bores.

338WMs are a nice step up from standard calibers if you wish to continue with high power and not drop to lesser ranges. I am not necessarily partial just to338s but they are a nice step up from 3006as they haveheavy bullets with a good cross section, are reasonably fast and flat for their size, deliver plenty of energy yet are fairly easy on recoil. I personally find theydo put decidedly more thump on game than a 3006 or 300WM. They are not the onlychoice but are a good solid stepforward for someonelooking toexpand their collection above 3006. There are others.

As mentioned earlier the 375 and 416 arecertainly more powerful however mosthunters wont learn how to handle themrightso one has to be careful aboutrecommending them.Most hunters would probably be better off first moving from a 3006 up tosomething like a 338 instead of moving up to a 375 or 416. Then if they are comfortable withitand decide they want more then they they can always move up another notch later. Too much, too quick, not good.

James B

There is very little difference in recoil between the 375H&H and the 338 Win Mag. The 416 Rem Mag steps up the recoil quite a bit however. While shooting the 416 off the Bench is really no fun at all,(I have done it a good bit), Shooting it off hand or while hunting is not so bad. I am not a fan of recoil and my shoulder is now shot to H#*l but I could stand a few shots even now. The 45-70 while it can be loaded to kick pretty hard, is nowhere near the recoil of most of the Magnums. The load that wiped out the buffalo was a 500 grain bullet with as much black powder as they could stuff in the case. This load was trucking along at about 1300 FPS. However when you get the 500 grain bullet traveling, it does not stop easily. I can't get 70 grains of Black powder behind a 500 grain bullet without compressing the heck out of it. Thats using a 30 inch drop tube and a compression die with 2F Goex. I only shoot these loads out of the single shots as I don't like gumming up a Lever with Black powder fouling. A nice mild load in the 45-70 is 13.0 grains of Unique behind a 405 grain bullet with a WW Mag primer. No fill is needed and it shoots pretty well at around 1150-1250 fps. This load shoots well in the No.l , No.3 and the NEF's.