.243 Hunting Question
10-01-2005, 01:54 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: James B
200 yards MAX.
200 yards MAX.
Buwahahahahah!
..............................................500 yds
....................................FPS........... ......Ft/lbs
.243 100 gr Fed.BT..........2040...................925
30-06 150 corelokt..........1622...................876
I personnally dont give a rats @ss about energy but I posted it for those who do, energy doesnt kill. Here the 30-06 does not have enough velocity for adequate expansion but the .243 does, makeing it a more efficient killer at 500 yds than the 30-06 with the 150 gr. corelokt.
Not to mention the -06 will drop 11" more than the .243 at that distance.
Some people will never get it. Sigh........
10-01-2005, 05:24 PM
#13
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
About four years ago, I killed a cow elk at 537 yards (ranged) with a 6MM-284. The 100 grain Sierra Pro Hunter, launched at 3430 fps, hit the cow broadside in the ribs and blew a broom stick size hole through both lungs. She ran about 50 yards and went down. Although the .243 runs about 350 fps slower, it should have about the same amount of "pop" at close to 400 yards. Bullet placement . . . .
10-01-2005, 06:41 PM
#14
Boone & Crockett
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
X. There you go again picking the best possile load for the 243 and a bum load for the 30-06.
243.............500 yards 925. 100 grain bullet
30-06...........500 yards 1480 ME... 165 grain bullet.
When you compare, you must use bullets of equal SD or it means less than nothing. The 30-06 load is with a Barnes 165 grain bullet. Its also available in a factory load. The Barnes load for the 243 just shows 860 ME at 500 Yards but I gave you your pet load .
243.............500 yards 925. 100 grain bullet
30-06...........500 yards 1480 ME... 165 grain bullet.
When you compare, you must use bullets of equal SD or it means less than nothing. The 30-06 load is with a Barnes 165 grain bullet. Its also available in a factory load. The Barnes load for the 243 just shows 860 ME at 500 Yards but I gave you your pet load .
10-01-2005, 10:25 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
James ,to bad energy doesnt kill. You can post energy till your fingers hurt from typing. Thats not what does the job.
yesI showed a weak load in the -06 just to show how the 2 compare.
your best load in the -06 just reaches 2000 fps at 500 yds , which would beadequate for expansion.
Without the velocity your bullet aint gonna do nothing but pierce a small hole, and that size of hole determines how well a gun kills, has nothing to do with energy. .243 has what it takes to kill well past 400 yds, if you do your part.
Why do you think magnums are great long range cartridges ? Velocity baby ! Velocity.
yesI showed a weak load in the -06 just to show how the 2 compare.
your best load in the -06 just reaches 2000 fps at 500 yds , which would beadequate for expansion.
Without the velocity your bullet aint gonna do nothing but pierce a small hole, and that size of hole determines how well a gun kills, has nothing to do with energy. .243 has what it takes to kill well past 400 yds, if you do your part.
Why do you think magnums are great long range cartridges ? Velocity baby ! Velocity.
10-01-2005, 11:36 PM
#16
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: SPIKEHORN11
What is the maxium range that a .243 will take a deer? I have taken one at 100 yards but was wondering if it would work at longer than that. I am using 100 gr. Remington Corelock.
What is the maxium range that a .243 will take a deer? I have taken one at 100 yards but was wondering if it would work at longer than that. I am using 100 gr. Remington Corelock.
10-02-2005, 12:02 PM
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
Two average sized White Tail does were taken on my farm last year with a .243 loaded with the 95gr CTBT. One at 330 and one at 358 both one shot both did not move from their tracks. Boys, if you put the bullet where it belongs, the arguements about which is better are all moot. Personally I like the '06 and the 7mag for deer but I'm older that dirt and stuck in my ways.
Regards, Rick.
Regards, Rick.
10-02-2005, 03:33 PM
#18
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
The Barnes loads show the 243 @500 yds @ 1943 fps
The Barnes load for the 30-06 @ 500 yds 1967 fps.
Using the best bullet and load for many cartridges , the 243 does not have much if any velocity advantage. The 243 also lacks the frontal area and bullet weight to compare with larger capacity cartridges. There is nothing magic about any cartridge. Powder capacity, bullet frontal area , bullet weight, velocity and ME combine to do the job. Velocity is but one side of a five sided fomula. The 45-70 which certainly lacks high velocity will do the job just as will a 270 with both velocity and fair bullet weight. 30 caliber bullets of 150 grains and up expand well at 308-30-06- 300 Win Mag velocities. The 180 and 200 grain bullets expanded well at 30-40 krag velocities. Velocity helps bullets expand but most good hunting bullets will have plenty of expansion at velocities of 2500 fps or more. I have seen it for fifty years plus. I have no intention of making a 15 page debate on this subject again. It is MY OPINION that the 243 is on the light side for any big game. Small whitetail and pronhorn are an exception and I have used it with marginal success on these critters. For big game I will always lean toward the 25 caliber and up. I have used them all a lot and thats been my findings. Good Hunting.
The Barnes load for the 30-06 @ 500 yds 1967 fps.
Using the best bullet and load for many cartridges , the 243 does not have much if any velocity advantage. The 243 also lacks the frontal area and bullet weight to compare with larger capacity cartridges. There is nothing magic about any cartridge. Powder capacity, bullet frontal area , bullet weight, velocity and ME combine to do the job. Velocity is but one side of a five sided fomula. The 45-70 which certainly lacks high velocity will do the job just as will a 270 with both velocity and fair bullet weight. 30 caliber bullets of 150 grains and up expand well at 308-30-06- 300 Win Mag velocities. The 180 and 200 grain bullets expanded well at 30-40 krag velocities. Velocity helps bullets expand but most good hunting bullets will have plenty of expansion at velocities of 2500 fps or more. I have seen it for fifty years plus. I have no intention of making a 15 page debate on this subject again. It is MY OPINION that the 243 is on the light side for any big game. Small whitetail and pronhorn are an exception and I have used it with marginal success on these critters. For big game I will always lean toward the 25 caliber and up. I have used them all a lot and thats been my findings. Good Hunting.
10-03-2005, 08:45 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .243 Hunting Question
ORIGINAL: James B
The Barnes loads show the 243 @500 yds @ 1943 fps
The Barnes load for the 30-06 @ 500 yds 1967 fps.
Using the best bullet and load for many cartridges , the 243 does not have much if any velocity advantage. No it doesnt have the advantage but it's not at a disadvantage either. The 243 also lacks the frontal area and bullet weight to compare with larger capacity cartridges. It has what much larger bores do, SD, Velocity, good expansion. There is nothing magic about any cartridge. Your right for once, a bullet through the vitals is a dead deer. Powder capacity, This is where your wrong, small cartridges can achieve what larger cartridges can do, small cartridges burn efficiently giving great ballistics with half the powder, take the WSSM's for instance.bullet frontal area , bullet weight, velocity and ME combine to do the job. Yes, except for ME it has no bearing on killing. Velocity is but one side of a five sided fomula. It is the root of the formula, it is the key ingridient.The 45-70 which certainly lacks high velocity will do the job just as will a 270 not at 400 yds, and that is what were talking about, long distance with both velocity and fair bullet weight. 30 caliber bullets of 150 grains and up expand well at 308-30-06- 300 Win Mag velocities. The 180 and 200 grain bullets expanded well at 30-40 krag velocities. Velocity helps bullets expand but most good hunting bullets will have plenty of expansion at velocities of 2500 fps or moreso what happens at 500yds when velocity is around 2000 fps I have seen it for fifty years plus. I have no intention of making a 15 page debate on this subject again. It is MY OPINION that the 243 is on the light side for any big game.Tell that to roskoe who took an elk at 500+ yds with a wild cat 6mm Small whitetail and pronhorn are an exception and I have used it with marginal success on these critters. For big game I will always lean toward the 25 caliber and up. An animal wouldnt know the difference in .01 frontal area or 15 gr. of lead, thats not even the size of a .177 pellet, do you know how much 15 gr. is ? that is just silly. I have used them all a lot and thats been my findings. I have been using the .243 for 20+ years and it does whatmuch largercalibers can do, sometimes even better. Good Hunting. To you too.
The Barnes loads show the 243 @500 yds @ 1943 fps
The Barnes load for the 30-06 @ 500 yds 1967 fps.
Using the best bullet and load for many cartridges , the 243 does not have much if any velocity advantage. No it doesnt have the advantage but it's not at a disadvantage either. The 243 also lacks the frontal area and bullet weight to compare with larger capacity cartridges. It has what much larger bores do, SD, Velocity, good expansion. There is nothing magic about any cartridge. Your right for once, a bullet through the vitals is a dead deer. Powder capacity, This is where your wrong, small cartridges can achieve what larger cartridges can do, small cartridges burn efficiently giving great ballistics with half the powder, take the WSSM's for instance.bullet frontal area , bullet weight, velocity and ME combine to do the job. Yes, except for ME it has no bearing on killing. Velocity is but one side of a five sided fomula. It is the root of the formula, it is the key ingridient.The 45-70 which certainly lacks high velocity will do the job just as will a 270 not at 400 yds, and that is what were talking about, long distance with both velocity and fair bullet weight. 30 caliber bullets of 150 grains and up expand well at 308-30-06- 300 Win Mag velocities. The 180 and 200 grain bullets expanded well at 30-40 krag velocities. Velocity helps bullets expand but most good hunting bullets will have plenty of expansion at velocities of 2500 fps or moreso what happens at 500yds when velocity is around 2000 fps I have seen it for fifty years plus. I have no intention of making a 15 page debate on this subject again. It is MY OPINION that the 243 is on the light side for any big game.Tell that to roskoe who took an elk at 500+ yds with a wild cat 6mm Small whitetail and pronhorn are an exception and I have used it with marginal success on these critters. For big game I will always lean toward the 25 caliber and up. An animal wouldnt know the difference in .01 frontal area or 15 gr. of lead, thats not even the size of a .177 pellet, do you know how much 15 gr. is ? that is just silly. I have used them all a lot and thats been my findings. I have been using the .243 for 20+ years and it does whatmuch largercalibers can do, sometimes even better. Good Hunting. To you too.
