Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
oldelkhunter, This gun will primarily be my deer gun, although I won't officially limit it to that alone. I'm aiming for right around 9 lbs unscoped, plus scope and rings should come to approx. 10 lbs. Some might think its too heavy, but for the limited walking I do while deer hunting , it will be fine.
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
Zac and yes it would be nice to find a local gunsmith that does good work but sometimes it is not doable. I am sure some of the gunsmiths that respond here can give you a good lead. As far as barrels go the only negatives I have heard or expereience have been with Shilen. Every other brand has worked out well. Not familiar with Krieger at all though.
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
touché, oldelkhuter... I don't think the gun is what will do the limiting, rather the shooter!! Just for the heck of it I pulled my grandfathers old sporterized 1903A3 (read: my next project) and weighed it; 24" sporter barrel, rough monte carlo walnut stock, leather military sling, and burris 3x9x40 scope. Weight = 9.75lbs
Amazing, how did 3 generations of men (grandfather, father and 8 years ago myself) manage to lug that thing around a mountain at 9,000 ft. Simple, we were in shape and we didn't know any better. I classify 3 groups as having a legitimate need for a "light" rifle: youth, women, and shall we say the "over the hill". Aside from those groups, the rest of us should shape up!!
I also checked barrel weight with a calculator from Lilja's website. A #2 contour .308-caliber stainless barrel at 24" weighs 2.6 lbs. A #4 contoured barrel stainless in .308 weighs 3.1 lbs and #5 comes in at 3.5 lbs.So at the most your looking at an extra pound of gun weight. I bet I could sneek an extra pound of weight in your pack and you'd never notice it.... unless of course you knew it was there, then it would bug the heck out of ya!!
As far as shootability, I can't think of one advantage a light weight gun has over a 9-10 lb gun... If you know of one, please, I'm open to new ideas... Heavier gun = steadier shooting, IMO
Amazing, how did 3 generations of men (grandfather, father and 8 years ago myself) manage to lug that thing around a mountain at 9,000 ft. Simple, we were in shape and we didn't know any better. I classify 3 groups as having a legitimate need for a "light" rifle: youth, women, and shall we say the "over the hill". Aside from those groups, the rest of us should shape up!!
I also checked barrel weight with a calculator from Lilja's website. A #2 contour .308-caliber stainless barrel at 24" weighs 2.6 lbs. A #4 contoured barrel stainless in .308 weighs 3.1 lbs and #5 comes in at 3.5 lbs.So at the most your looking at an extra pound of gun weight. I bet I could sneek an extra pound of weight in your pack and you'd never notice it.... unless of course you knew it was there, then it would bug the heck out of ya!!
As far as shootability, I can't think of one advantage a light weight gun has over a 9-10 lb gun... If you know of one, please, I'm open to new ideas... Heavier gun = steadier shooting, IMO
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
Amazing, how did 3 generations of men (grandfather, father and 8 years ago myself) manage to lug that thing around a mountain at 9,000 ft. Simple, we were in shape and we didn't know any better. I classify 3 groups as having a legitimate need for a "light" rifle: youth, women, and shall we say the "over the hill". Aside from those groups, the rest of us should shape up!!
As far as shootability, I can't think of one advantage a light weight gun has over a 9-10 lb gun... If you know of one, please, I'm open to new ideas... Heavier gun = steadier shooting, IMO
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
First of all, I never said I wanted the barreled action to weigh as much as the stock... I simply asked what people thought it would take to balance the gun.
You asked me what the PRIMARY use for the gun was going to be, and I toldyou. I used the example of the 1903A3 simply to help illustrate a point.
I never said you or anyone else couldn't shoot a light weight gun superbly, I only said that other things being equal, a heavier gun is steadier. So what if someone has a business card with a great group on it? Does this mean that shooter shoots a lightweight better than a medium/heavy weight? BTW, I completely agree that there is a happy medium..... and that being said, 8.5-9.5 lbs is about right. I don't think anyone would argue that the weight of the average rifle has gone way down in the last 20-30 years and I am merely suggesting that the trend is only a trend and eventually people will realize that giving up a little weight wasn't the quick fix they thought it was.
BTW... factory remington magnum barreled action with floormetal and bolt weighs 5lbs 4oz, so 6lbs with bulkier barrel is about right...
You asked me what the PRIMARY use for the gun was going to be, and I toldyou. I used the example of the 1903A3 simply to help illustrate a point.
I never said you or anyone else couldn't shoot a light weight gun superbly, I only said that other things being equal, a heavier gun is steadier. So what if someone has a business card with a great group on it? Does this mean that shooter shoots a lightweight better than a medium/heavy weight? BTW, I completely agree that there is a happy medium..... and that being said, 8.5-9.5 lbs is about right. I don't think anyone would argue that the weight of the average rifle has gone way down in the last 20-30 years and I am merely suggesting that the trend is only a trend and eventually people will realize that giving up a little weight wasn't the quick fix they thought it was.
BTW... factory remington magnum barreled action with floormetal and bolt weighs 5lbs 4oz, so 6lbs with bulkier barrel is about right...
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RE: Barrel Manufacturers.... Suggestions?
Zac - I really don't know of a gunsmith I could recommend in your area. You may have to spend some time researching reputations. Just remember - every gunsmith has built a few rifles that won't shoot. This should be a very small number, though.
I tend to lean toward the 10 lb. rifles as well. Not that a light rifle can't shoot good groups. But a heavier gun is a lot steadier under field conditions when your adrenelin is up. The Sendero is a pound or twotoo heavy for me - a #5 contour works out about right.
I tend to lean toward the 10 lb. rifles as well. Not that a light rifle can't shoot good groups. But a heavier gun is a lot steadier under field conditions when your adrenelin is up. The Sendero is a pound or twotoo heavy for me - a #5 contour works out about right.