1911 clones
#22
RE: 1911 clones
BTW-If you get a NEW Kimber Series II it will come with a firing pin safety system in it.
Mike
#23
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Posts: 1,491
RE: 1911 clones
Hi again ugly dog,
If you ever intend to get a consensus on this site.....on this subject....good luck!
If you stick with the better known brand names.....decide which features you absolutely can't live without (another way of saying "features you are willing to spend money on") and pick the model that appeals to you most! There is no such thing (okay, okay, nearly no such thing) as a bad 1911! Only degrees of better.....
Good luck with your decision.
Dave
P.S. One other thing to consider. If it's your first 1911.....consider buying a "basic" model, made by any company known for quality, go get some experience on the range.....and then determine "from your own experience"....how you'd like to "trick it out"!
If you ever intend to get a consensus on this site.....on this subject....good luck!
If you stick with the better known brand names.....decide which features you absolutely can't live without (another way of saying "features you are willing to spend money on") and pick the model that appeals to you most! There is no such thing (okay, okay, nearly no such thing) as a bad 1911! Only degrees of better.....
Good luck with your decision.
Dave
P.S. One other thing to consider. If it's your first 1911.....consider buying a "basic" model, made by any company known for quality, go get some experience on the range.....and then determine "from your own experience"....how you'd like to "trick it out"!
#24
RE: 1911 clones
Kimber can claim on their series II and Colt can claim that their series 80 triggers are not effected by the firing pin block, but the pressure of the trigger is what deactivates them. If theier was suposed to be a firing pin block in a 1911, John Moses Browning would have designed them that way.
I just ordered one of these this week http://www.springfield-armory.com/im...9109LLarge.jpg
For under $700 its hard to find a better value. I don't like the serrations at the front of the slide, but I can live with it. I chose this one after looking at colts and kimbers and shopping around for several weeks. Kimber would have been my second choice behind the wwII springfield model, which only costs around $400, but I would have had to pay another $100 for a KImber above and beyond what I paid for my Springfield. Colts dont do much for me- it seems that you are paying alot for the name more than anything else. Just my opinion.
I just ordered one of these this week http://www.springfield-armory.com/im...9109LLarge.jpg
For under $700 its hard to find a better value. I don't like the serrations at the front of the slide, but I can live with it. I chose this one after looking at colts and kimbers and shopping around for several weeks. Kimber would have been my second choice behind the wwII springfield model, which only costs around $400, but I would have had to pay another $100 for a KImber above and beyond what I paid for my Springfield. Colts dont do much for me- it seems that you are paying alot for the name more than anything else. Just my opinion.
#25
RE: 1911 clones
Well, the topic of the Kimber firing pin block has been on my mind, so today I decided to swing by my favorite little gun store (and Kimber dealer) and ask about it. What I found out was that Kimbers pin block is actually deactivated by depressing the palm safety, not the trigger. This means that the pin safety and trigger aren't directly associated, and the pin block doesn't effect trigger pull. But, what he did say was that the trigger system in the model II's did have to be modified to accomodate the pin block system and new palm safety design, with the result being that the newer triggers are harder to adjust than the old ones.
Just FYI.
Mike
Just FYI.
Mike
#27
RE: 1911 clones
I forgot to mention the other thing he told me about the model II Kimbers. Apparently the 3" bbl. versions (the Ultra II's) have
a spotty reputation for reliability...or to put it as he did, "they don't work, but Kimber won't tell you that." He did say that the 3"
model I's work fine. Since he deals guns for a living, and I trust and even admire is honesty regarding the products he sells, it
looks like I won't be getting that Eclipse Ultra II someday after all. I'm not paying $850+ for a gun that isn't completely reliable.
But the 4" version of the Eclipse...!
Mike
a spotty reputation for reliability...or to put it as he did, "they don't work, but Kimber won't tell you that." He did say that the 3"
model I's work fine. Since he deals guns for a living, and I trust and even admire is honesty regarding the products he sells, it
looks like I won't be getting that Eclipse Ultra II someday after all. I'm not paying $850+ for a gun that isn't completely reliable.
But the 4" version of the Eclipse...!
Mike
#29
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Toledo Ohio USA
Posts: 24
RE: 1911 clones
I think they guys who say you can't buy a bad 1911 are pretty close to correct. Never fired a Kimber but have a Series 80 1991 A1 from the Colt Custom Shop that I love dearly. I think the increased safety factor is important. Also have a Concealed Carry Officers that shoots well.
#30
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Posts: 127
RE: 1911 clones
Yes, there ton's of 1911 options just in manufacturer, then you get into all the bells and whistles. I have a Para-ord 13.45 that I really like, except for the finish it has started to wear off on the grip area, so I'm going to have it refinished. I really like the Kimbers also, but never shot one. My local shop has several, and they say that IF they get a used one(which is rare) it usually won't last out the day once it's in the case. Anyway, I'm sure you can find a good new gun for a good price, and then after you've had it for a while, decide what you like, and don't like, and then you can begin the process of changing what you don't like.