battle of the 7mm's
01-20-2004, 11:15 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
I think your feeling i'm down on the 280 and I assure you I'm not, it's a great rifle.The 280 is a caliber. I am ,niether down on the STW,just using common sense. But no way in H*ll does it even come close to the all-around performance of the STW..Who said it (280 Rem) was a better all around cartridge? Aparently you never used it much or you just never had one to be talking that way.Apparently you can not read, been shooting one since 89! I don't care about the powder, noise, or recoil, I can afford all 3.Above it was posted that the 7mmUM used more powder for no gain...BS, if you can afford all 3 then get a 7mm Ultra(surely you can greatly improve with hand loading :-) Your not talking to a person who fell of the tater truck about these rifles and reloading them.Oh Really? I'll take the +5" or +400 ft. any day of the week. What's +400 ft.?..errrrr foot pounds of Energy?As of yet I've not seen the 280 produce the speeds that are published, have you? I own 2 of them (Rem & A-Bolt) and neither, no matter how I load them will get there. I guess that it's written in stone, if I______ (fill in the blank) cant achieve ______ published velocities no one can.
I can tell you this as fact.. the STW WILL produce speeds well in access of what is published, bet you knew that too?Access what?....oh, I see,your rifle can reach speeds over the published velocites in the STW so now it's FACT that the(all) STW can??? (at what kind of chamber pressures? This is about the 7Mag catagory and not the 7mm Express (ie .280).You got me on this one.....you really know your stuff (ie. 7mm Express = 280
I can tell you this as fact.. the STW WILL produce speeds well in access of what is published, bet you knew that too?Access what?....oh, I see,your rifle can reach speeds over the published velocites in the STW so now it's FACT that the(all) STW can??? (at what kind of chamber pressures? This is about the 7Mag catagory and not the 7mm Express (ie .280).You got me on this one.....you really know your stuff (ie. 7mm Express = 280
doubleA..... the 280 can take any deer size game out to 400 yards right along side of the rest of the 7 mags with lower recoil, less powder, better barrel life, just an opinion though.........
01-21-2004, 08:31 AM
#22
Boone & Crockett
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
One LAST word. My new Nosler Manual lists the Max Velocity for the 280 with RE 19 and the 140 Ballistic Tip at 3152 fps. I was below their max load by a grain or two. Even the 7MM-08 will deliever 1400 lbs ME at 400 yards.
01-21-2004, 09:29 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
So using that logic the 300ultramag is no better than a 30-30 for 1000 yard target shooting.
Since BOTH rounds will require you to hold above the desired POI at that range, neither is better
01-21-2004, 09:37 AM
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
I wonder what kind of chamber pressure you are producing with this load.
My old 700 Bld 280 Rem. clocks out a 3140 with the 140 gr Ballistic tip
01-21-2004, 03:21 PM
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
Interesting reading but I was thinking along the same lines as several of the others. My fav 7mm's are the 7mm Express and the 7mm-08. Much more shooter friendly...however you do lose the bragging element with either of them compared to the mags. That could be it.....
01-21-2004, 07:45 PM
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
RE: battle of the 7mm's (in reply to stubblejumper)
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ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
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Since BOTH rounds will require you to hold above the desired POI at that range, neither is better
So using that logic the 300ultramag is no better than a 30-30 for 1000 yard target shooting.
I suspect there's a helluva lot more difference between the two you mentioned, and the two comparisons I made. Perhaps the LOGIC is the same, but your example is pretty extreme....
quote:
ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
quote:
Since BOTH rounds will require you to hold above the desired POI at that range, neither is better
So using that logic the 300ultramag is no better than a 30-30 for 1000 yard target shooting.
I suspect there's a helluva lot more difference between the two you mentioned, and the two comparisons I made. Perhaps the LOGIC is the same, but your example is pretty extreme....
01-21-2004, 07:49 PM
#28
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
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ORIGINAL: stubblejumper
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My old 700 Bld 280 Rem. clocks out a 3140 with the 140 gr Ballistic tip
I wonder what kind of chamber pressure you are producing with this load.
This is NUTS!! The ORIGINAL FACTORY .270 Win. 130-grain load pushed 3140 FPS in 1926! Are you saying that with today's MUCH BETTER modern powders, we can't safely get the same speed from the .280 with a 140-grain bullet?? Gimme a break!!
01-21-2004, 10:47 PM
#29
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
I don't have any 1926 loads but I have some I loaded this year and they are nearly Idenical to the published ones. The NEF 26 inch barrel is slightly above the published loads with the 120 grain bullet which is the weight I prefer for deer at ranges to 300 yards. I am just pushing it along at about 2950-2970 fps. This apears to be a very light load and 250-300 under their published loads. That is the published loads for the amount of powder I am using. I am useing IMR 4831.
01-22-2004, 06:19 AM
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RE: battle of the 7mm's
The NEF 26 inch barrel is slightly above the published loads with the 120 grain bullet which is the weight I prefer for deer at ranges to 300 yards. I am just pushing it along at about 2950-2970 fps