ranger56528

You have a valid point thereTom and I agree.I guess with me its just 2nd nature to make sure my shooting lanes are clear enough that I dont really worry about hitting anything with the limbs,I play the IF I shot here were are my limbs going to end up or IF I take this shot are my limbs going to clear,this is all apart of my thought proscess while in the stand or blind and if Iam stalking/still hunting its the same..Were are my limbs going to end up....I know there are people out there that do not think these things thru because Thier attention is on getting that deer.If you know your bow(any type) you can play out the shootingclearance in your mind while you wait for that deer to come by.You need to know your surroundings.....

graveyard zombie

Well spoken Ranger. I'm like you in that I practice holding my Excal in all directions before hunting situations so I know my crossbowslimitations. In fact, it helped me decide on a particular portable fixed stand before I bought one. I noticed my main complaint with any crossbow hunting from a portable stand was trying to shoot around a tree trunk while 20 feet in the air. The fixed portable stand I bought puts me roughly 40" away from the tree trunk and I can almost shoot from either side of it or at least close enoughwithout the limbs hitting it.

GrumpyTom

Hotburn I did not lay the total blame on ten point. Only a part of the blame and that came with an IF .....that is if they made available the lighter bolts which could be mistaken for the heavier one.

For the people that do this, using lighter arrows then recommended, then they are totally at fault, 100% blame on them. What I was refuring to was the accidental use of the lighter arrow. I have heard some say that all you need to do to get to that lighter weight was use alumin insert over the brass, but with the same shaft. Just imagine how easy that would be to insert the wrong weight arrow in the bow, too easy. If ten point is going to sell these lighter arrows, to save, or help stop this problem, they need to make a noticable outward difference on the arrow. The trouble will be, that most hunters will want camo arrow so how would you set the two arrows apart .......... Difficult to do.

Companies do have a responsibility to foresee possible problems and try to eliminate them.

Ranger, I did not mean that you would not know how your limbs would react or if they had clearance or not, Just wanted to point out to people that would not think that way. There are many new people to crossbows (from vertical bows or guns) that have never had to think in those terms before so it would not be second nature to them yet, but the more they hear about checking for that, then maybe they will remember to do that and noone will get hurt. In my mind, limb clearance is one of the three major safety factors with crossbows. Pointing it in a safe dirrection all the time and never put any part of your hands above the shooting rail when it is cocked are the other two.

Hotburn76

No problem Tom. I am sorry if my post sounded harsh to yours. Your post just reminded me of all the people who by stuff, do not research it and understand its limitations, and then fault the company. I understand what you say, it is the consumers fault for using the wrong product, but if it hurts the total company's product image and line, then it is there fault in the end also. I guess the company has a responsibility to also prepare for the ignorant crowd if it can hurt them in the end.

ranger56528

I didnt take it that way Tom.I was just commenting on the overall of it, that some of use know our limits and some dont take simple things into concederation.My shooting area is about 110deg in my stands and the blinds Iam limited to about 90deg.

As far as the last sentence goes,I remembet the time I put the stirup on my boot[] looked down and said too myself,this is not a smart thing to do if the bow goes off for any unseen reason,hence I dont ever rest the bow on my boot .

10ptCrossbow

I'm gone for a day and you guys are throwing me under the bus. I said our bow is 3-4 inches narrower then the compition. The Horton is every bit of 37 inches and a littlewider if you put a tape to it (at least the one I checked myself). I was not bsing anybody nor was I saying or impling it was 3-4 inches narrower then the Excals.
As for the arrows, it is up to the user to know he has the proper equipment. I also agree there may be some confusion. We will do our best to keep that to a minimum.
Randy

10ptCrossbow

I posted it an it is not bogus information. I do have all my facts. Excalibur is certainly competition, but so is Barnett, Horton, PSE, Middleton and several others. Sorry if I did not post an exact model and company. I was not trying to snowball anybody or mislead them in any way.
Randy

10ptCrossbow

Brad will be the first to tell you that he shot his bow with a Horton. It is no secret. TenPoint has never said nor implied that he took his buck with a TenPoint. Brad has taken animals with a wide variety of weapons.
Brad also has done a LOT to further the crossbow cause and speaks at alot of events to help promote hunting and the crossbow to other states.

10ptCrossbow

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GrumpyTom

Randy, I believe that most of the people only think that ten point has only one major competitor and that would excalibur in the recurve world. Yes there are others, but their quality of bow or their repitation is not up to par with Ten Point or Excalibur (in the recurve world). Since Ten Point just entered the recurve side of crossbows and that Excalibur is concidered the best here, then they assume that is the company you are talking about.

The thing is, people were comfronting those statements with comments on excalibur. You replied with the same statement the other guy made, but you knew that those members were thinking it was Excalibur. This might have been an oversite in your part, but that was not how it came across. This was why the comments bothered me.

I am still wondering why this other member did not try to correct the way members had taken his statement ............ concidering he is also the MODERATOR on that forum. Again that only leads to people thinking they are being mislead.

The trouble Randy with him and his promotion of crossbows to States which currently do not allow it in hunting seasons as archery equipment is that the anti's use it in the fight against crossbows. They claim that large companies are only after money and using their money to lobby government officials and try to buy votes or the right to use crossbows. I know this is more then likely not true, but it does not sound too good for us crossbow people that are in the trenches trying to get out bows accepted for use. Crossbows will be accepted in time, it is a slow process, but the growing manufacturing in crossbows prove that it will happen.