coyote170

What the man said,AMEN!!

Hotburn76

I also will add that two seasons ago, the 05/06 season I was limited to the single pin way, but not by choice. I had a, at that time a new Horton with a multi-reticle scope on it that IMO, SUCKED! It was good for twenty, but then the thirty you had to hold over a little and the forty was under a little I think. SO I never felt comfortable with anything past twenty five. Then last year the Excal guys first started to work there "MO-JO" on me and I was introduced to the Varizone. With that Scope I was pretty good to go with my Horton out to forty. Last year if I had a deer at thirty or say thirty five I probably would have did it, but the Cuddeback also screwed me up since I became a big rack hunter and I scored Zero last year! Now this year is even better! I have a Vortex with the new Lumizone on it. Tuesday I was spanking arrows into forty yards right on the money every time! I have not shot a fifty since I do not have the room for it here and have to wait to go to the in-laws for that. But now I have a CB that I feel is passing my Horton on accuracy and is building my confidence greatly! This year I plan on marking my hunting spots out to thirty five yards if my confidence continues over the summer. But as said before I still hesitate to say that kinda. But as the others and I have said, over thirty five is possible and done all the time, but to me it is taking a chance.

Also, you may ask why am I making this second post tonight? Maybe its a form of liberation that I am getting with the vortex, but felt I needed to make a post that I am not a stuck to a twenty yard pin kinda guy!! LOL!!! Hope this all makes sense, And great post Dan, you hit the nail on the head!

Bigg~BirddVA

There is a down side to the way they presented it. We know but the new guy or other may not grasp it. Nothing good from it except maybe some Strykers on fleabay cheap at the end of bow season.

On speeds a guy on another forum shot it through the chrono and at 65 yds it was still going 365fps. Aprox on the numbers and distance but it I'm pretty close. Another guy says 1 pin 0 to 38 yds with a couple of inches drop. For deer 1 pin to 40. I still think 40 maybe but 35 max under worse case scenario - for deer that is.

southbow55

I bought a Stryker about a month ago. I had a ton of fun with it as it is very accurate. I will be testing it on a hunting trip for some african game species (Zerba, Kudu, an anything silly enough to get within range that falls within the budget)

The trigger is a bit tight (personal opinion) and itis heavy and bulky. But it is very accurate and it hits where I aim. Then the fun starts, getting the arrow out.

So far I am really happy with it, but I have not had it long enough to comment on durability.

ranger56528

When I get my nxt day off(july 4th)Iam goin to set my pin at 35yrds and see how high I will be at 20,thinking it should be 3-5".I have come to realize that the Vortex should have a scope to get everything out of it..Why I didnt do it to start with is beyond me......

GR8atta2d

Thank-you hotburn for the retraction of irresponsible and fact. I agree with you, and the second statement of I wounded one what now? Is not just your CB forum but every forum.

I will ask a question and I mean NO disrespect what-so-ever. Do you think the pre-concieved notion, to the uneducated public, that it's just a rifle that shoots arrows, leads to a lot of these misses or wounding threads?

I mean I go into the local sporting goods store the night before the opening day and I see them filing out with new crossbows so they can hunt in the a.m. Now I know you guys take your sport serious, but don't you think you get many more people who think it's the easier road, coming in and soiling your reputation? They just don't know and it's you guys that need to police the ranks and educate them that this is a learned discipline just like compound or traditional bow.

My thoughts..sorry to hijack.

awshucks

quote: "I will ask a question and I mean NO disrespect what-so-ever. Do you think the pre-concieved notion, to the uneducated public, that it's just a rifle that shoots arrows, leads to a lot of these misses or wounding threads?

I mean I go into the local sporting goods store the night before the opening day and I see them filing out with new crossbows so they can hunt in the a.m. Now I know you guys take your sport serious, but don't you think you get many more people who think it's the easier road, coming in and soiling your reputation? They just don't know and it's you guys that need to police the ranks and educate them that this is a learned discipline just like compound or traditional bow"

Good points, and we don't call it hi-jacking much, lol We all do it. What you describe is the "last minute flurry", all too common regardless of weapon or season. As far as xbows go, some do there homework here and on other xbow forums, some don't. Here's my take on it,the guys that think it's just a point and shoot choice and are going to use an xbow to get in on archery seasons are usually gun hunters previously, be it shotgun, M/L or rifle. This is one of the vert crowds big fears. These "new" archery guys usually don't do too well. No stats to back this opinion up w/, but IMHO, it takes far longer to learn how to hunt deer close like any archery demands than it does to master either a compound or an xbow. You don't have to play the wind game or be as scent free to gun hunt, kinda like preaching to the choir here, lol. The gun guys that have mastered these two prime requirements are probably already in bow seasons anyhow. We have members here constantly trying different choices in arrows, b-heads, mfgrs, vanes/feathers, stands, blinds,even bow strings, lol, all to maximze their chancesto close the dealright. I would guess that the recurve vert crowd has the toughest time preparing due to the practise their choice demands, and my hat is off to them.

As to your policing the ranks comment, we try to help those that ask. The old joke comes to mind."What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?" "I don't know and I don't care" Personally, I enjoy your posts and your user name says alot!

Hotburn76

As funny as this may sound when I made that statement I was not even referring to the CB forum but to the regular forum! LOL!! Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any of us last year had a "can't find my deer" thread in the CB forum. But in the regular forum they popped up often.

Unfortunately there is alot of people that do think this way when they look at the CB as a bad thing, and the new people that have wild dreams of going out with a new toy and going to have a blast. Two things happen to the guys that get there new "gun". they realize it is alot of work to learn the twenty yard game and give up after a few unsuccessful seasons. The other realizes the opportunity hehas and learns how to deer hunt and becomes a great hunter. I feel the ignorant ones jump ship real fast and just wait on the short gun season.

I think this happens very little since most states it is illegal to use a CB so very few people ever see it. I feel it is all propaganda spread by the Compound companies trying to secure there sales and keep the CB out. In the states where the CB is not allowed they seem to have the most claims about slob CB hunters ruining the sport. But how can they see and experience this if the CB is not even allowed. All just stories about the CB to keep people from shooting there deer and help keep the Compound sales up. Is there a slob CB hunter out there? You bet ya, but there is just as many Compound ones too. Just the CB ones are glorified to help stain the image and keep people out. The compound people do not realize it but they are hurting our sport more then most groups like Peta IMO. It blows my mind that groups of fellow hunters band together and go to state officemeetings and push the state to keep people from hunting, how insane is that? Groups like Peta have to sit back and love this up!

ranger56528

All very good points....The one I always have enjoyed is the"got me a new gun...Have you sighted it in ?. No,Iam just going to do it tomorrow when we go out"...Or just got me a ne bow and some broadheads,cant wait to get out in the woods.......YOU see weve all heard these remarks,some of us(not me)have done this, most and hopefully none of us have done this,but it does and allways will happen.I think the people that get affended the most are the people that do it...

10ptCrossbow

When I do my training for Bass Pro, Cabela's, Gander etc. I make it a point to cover what a crossbow will and will NOT do. I spend as much if not more time on selling a crossbow and making sure they educate the consumer then I do on the product info. I figure they can read a catalog and a box to get product info. they only have one or two chances a year to talk and hear about selling and safety.
Randy